1 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:39,660 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:42,330 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:45,610 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:49,920 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:58,500 --> 00:00:54,370 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:03,000 --> 00:00:58,510 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:05,249 --> 00:01:03,010 take back the night now your 9 00:01:08,850 --> 00:01:05,259 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:08,860 bizarre Timothy Begley and team sports 11 00:01:21,779 --> 00:01:19,420 and they're all around me look at all 12 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:21,789 these zombies hey some of them are 13 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:24,640 pretty cute actually huh I can't I can't 14 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:25,690 get out of here 15 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:27,880 I've always drafted some sort of 16 00:01:35,850 --> 00:01:30,990 supernatural void some other dimension 17 00:01:39,029 --> 00:01:35,860 will be on space and time and my own 18 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:39,039 thought pattern here but we're going to 19 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:47,770 have a great guest on and it's 20 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:52,060 approaching that time of the year fall 21 00:01:59,130 --> 00:01:56,020 is settling in the big pumpkin is on the 22 00:02:00,359 --> 00:01:59,140 Lord the bottle of [\h__\h] is stuck in my 23 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:00,369 shirt pocket 24 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:08,200 and we're going to be celebrating isn't 25 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:12,100 that right Tim yes that's right soon 26 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:14,980 when be very looking for an offering of 27 00:02:20,610 --> 00:02:18,850 flesh and blood from you tonight well I 28 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:20,620 almost gave it to him this week I'll 29 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:25,120 tell you that you're dead but we're 30 00:02:33,449 --> 00:02:29,769 we're safe and sound and as grounded as 31 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:33,459 we could possibly be but I know at least 32 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:35,850 one of our guests this evening a very 33 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:40,510 attractive talented lady is known to be 34 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:43,750 lifted up into the air though I don't 35 00:02:48,030 --> 00:02:46,720 know if by necessarily by supernatural 36 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:48,040 forces so 37 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:49,450 what do you been up to how are you 38 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:53,739 getting prepared for the day well Tim 39 00:02:58,890 --> 00:02:55,810 first of all welcome back to the show we 40 00:03:04,009 --> 00:02:58,900 missed you last week whoa darn right see 41 00:03:07,349 --> 00:03:04,019 that and I missed the sexy saucer people 42 00:03:12,149 --> 00:03:07,359 that's right live nude aliens we're only 43 00:03:18,629 --> 00:03:12,159 on exploring the bizarre it's not a 44 00:03:20,699 --> 00:03:18,639 video well I'd like you like you said 45 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:20,709 we're we're getting ready for Halloween 46 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:23,500 around here of course now you know we 47 00:03:28,909 --> 00:03:26,620 had our Halloween campout a couple of 48 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:28,919 weeks ago and you know for anybody 49 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:32,040 curious they can always see my picture 50 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:35,650 from on skype or on my Facebook account 51 00:03:41,309 --> 00:03:38,889 that was my award-winning Halloween 52 00:03:47,429 --> 00:03:41,319 costume so what are you doing a 53 00:03:51,659 --> 00:03:47,439 Halloween campout there is a pretty 54 00:03:55,409 --> 00:03:51,669 large campground near us it's it's 55 00:03:59,580 --> 00:03:55,419 called Lake Rudolph and every October 56 00:04:02,819 --> 00:03:59,590 every weekend in October they have a big 57 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:02,829 Halloween party people will come in and 58 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:06,010 they'll they'll set up big haunted 59 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:08,190 houses about some of them spend 60 00:04:13,619 --> 00:04:11,290 thousands of dollars on these very 61 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:13,629 elaborate haunted houses and then you 62 00:04:17,789 --> 00:04:15,760 know we take the kids so the kids can go 63 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:17,799 trick-or-treating and then of course the 64 00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:20,409 adults you know like to join in and you 65 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:21,909 know we have our costumes as well 66 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:25,449 sometimes I think we adults have have 67 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:27,400 more fun with this and the kids too but 68 00:04:31,409 --> 00:04:28,720 as long as it gets get candy they're 69 00:04:34,890 --> 00:04:31,419 happy well you know of course the big 70 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:34,900 Halloween parade that goes through a 71 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:37,830 Greenwich Village is is coming up on 72 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:42,870 Halloween Eve and that attracts 73 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:46,570 thousands of people with probably some 74 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:50,530 of the most elaborate costumes you will 75 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:54,430 ever possibly imagine are see this side 76 00:05:01,090 --> 00:04:58,960 of the Milky Way I'd love to go to see 77 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:01,100 that in person sometime 78 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:03,530 what don't you remember though in one of 79 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:05,690 our films I believe is blood sucking 80 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:09,230 vampire freaks it opens with the parade 81 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:12,050 the marchers going down the street well 82 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:16,280 yes of course I remember that yeah yeah 83 00:05:25,690 --> 00:05:20,360 I should remember it anyway enough of 84 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:25,700 our chat about Halloween at least for 85 00:05:30,730 --> 00:05:27,800 the moment why don't you tell everyone 86 00:05:33,670 --> 00:05:30,740 who we are honored to have with us this 87 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:33,680 evening well yes well let's let's start 88 00:05:39,970 --> 00:05:38,090 out with Samantha Scarlett now Samantha 89 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:39,980 is an alternative rock singer-songwriter 90 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:44,090 and she's the host of blackout on Adobe 91 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:46,490 am i pronouncing that right Azamat the 92 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:49,430 Adobe radio B Adobe radio there you go 93 00:05:55,330 --> 00:05:52,430 and the owner of MK ULTRA nighty 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:55,340 clothing and she's also an alternative 95 00:05:59,320 --> 00:05:57,170 model now Samantha currently has two 96 00:06:02,590 --> 00:05:59,330 albums out into the darkness 97 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:02,600 EP and demos produced by Justin Salter 98 00:06:08,770 --> 00:06:06,440 and violent delights and violent ends 99 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:08,780 and she's quite I think in fact we're 100 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:12,860 going to be hearing you some of Eclipse 101 00:06:20,410 --> 00:06:17,510 from these productions yes yes I hope I 102 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:20,420 hope so and now Sarah letter has already 103 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:22,730 had already had an avid fascination with 104 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:26,150 the paranormal conspiracies etc in 2015 105 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:28,310 she started a youtube podcast with a 106 00:06:32,830 --> 00:06:30,770 friend dedicated to these topics and she 107 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:32,840 let her went on to host I want to 108 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:35,060 believe with Samantha Scarlett for 109 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:39,110 energy rock radio in 2016 now she 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:40,700 currently lives in New York City with 111 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:42,530 her pet Yorkie and her hobbies include 112 00:06:48,730 --> 00:06:45,650 listening to vinyls of 90 rock albums 113 00:06:50,530 --> 00:06:48,740 alright for you meals at the Plaza body 114 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:50,540 suspension visiting art museums 115 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:52,970 listening to old art bell interviews on 116 00:06:58,780 --> 00:06:55,310 YouTube and watching silent films 117 00:07:01,420 --> 00:06:58,790 filmmaking yoga meditation and thickness 118 00:07:04,210 --> 00:07:01,430 so Samantha welcome to exploring the 119 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:04,220 bazaar and of course let's not forget we 120 00:07:10,469 --> 00:07:05,870 also have with us tonight Brad Steiger 121 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:10,479 our very good and and and dear friend 122 00:07:14,890 --> 00:07:14,240 Brad has been publishing stories and 123 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:14,900 articles 124 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:17,630 three and the paranormal since oh my 125 00:07:24,220 --> 00:07:22,490 gosh I think forever he's written for 126 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:24,230 such magazines such as Alfred 127 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:26,510 Hitchcock's the Saint fantastic fate 128 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:29,660 magazine you know he he actually wrote a 129 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:31,910 newspaper column if anybody out there 130 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:34,370 remembers newspapers called the strange 131 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:39,800 world of Brad Steiger now he also wrote 132 00:07:46,210 --> 00:07:43,940 a best-selling biography of the silent 133 00:07:48,910 --> 00:07:46,220 screen lover Valentino which was made 134 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:48,920 into a motion picture by British 135 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:52,970 director Kim Russell and I'll tell you 136 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:54,380 something Brad I mean to have Kevin 137 00:07:59,170 --> 00:07:57,050 Russell make a movie based on your book 138 00:08:09,190 --> 00:07:59,180 you know I could die happy right then 139 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:09,200 there in the word death well and of 140 00:08:15,550 --> 00:08:12,950 course rad is the author of so many 141 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:15,560 books that we would it would take us the 142 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:19,010 entire show Tim to name them all off of 143 00:08:23,230 --> 00:08:20,690 course some of them are conspiracies and 144 00:08:25,690 --> 00:08:23,240 secret societies secret societies the 145 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:25,700 complete dossier or the werewolf book 146 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:28,060 the encyclopedia of shape-shifting 147 00:08:33,940 --> 00:08:31,400 beings and of course the Philadelphia 148 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:33,950 Experiment and other UFO conspiracies 149 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:36,770 which I think that was published by you 150 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:39,140 know some some publishing company I 151 00:08:44,530 --> 00:08:42,470 can't remember the name of it and a real 152 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:44,540 ghost restless spirits and haunted 153 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:47,600 places there they're actually actually a 154 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:50,600 reprint of that recently and in real 155 00:08:55,180 --> 00:08:52,910 monsters gruesome creature creatures and 156 00:08:58,510 --> 00:08:55,190 beasts from the dark side that's just a 157 00:09:01,150 --> 00:08:58,520 few of the many books of Brad's Tigers 158 00:09:01,930 --> 00:09:01,160 so Brad Samantha welcome to exploring 159 00:09:06,190 --> 00:09:01,940 the bizarre 160 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:06,200 thank you hey you know this is this I'm 161 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:08,590 looking forward to this Samantha 162 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:11,680 how'd you get into all of this I I mean 163 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:14,480 okay the singing I can understand but 164 00:09:19,870 --> 00:09:17,060 the the high suspension well what did 165 00:09:24,430 --> 00:09:19,880 you give us a little bit about your your 166 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:24,440 background how did you become a so 167 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:28,650 oriented into the well the dark side the 168 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:31,980 KOB the the occult how would you 169 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:36,150 describe yourself and in ten easy words 170 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:39,090 I don't know ten words because tonight 171 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:40,500 I'm not really on my A game because I'm 172 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:42,480 not feeling well but um I don't know I 173 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:44,430 really am not so much into the darkness 174 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:46,500 as people think I mean like I love dark 175 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:49,950 aesthetics like Victorian interiors and 176 00:09:54,050 --> 00:09:52,560 I like Gothic clothing but or both 177 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:54,060 dressing in black not so much like 178 00:09:57,860 --> 00:09:55,860 gothic he won't really catch me and like 179 00:09:59,840 --> 00:09:57,870 one of those long dresses that like you 180 00:10:01,760 --> 00:09:59,850 know you think of with like goth but um 181 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:01,770 I you know it all kind of started when I 182 00:10:07,070 --> 00:10:05,340 was a kid I would I guess it's before I 183 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:07,080 always say it was like listening to art 184 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:08,730 bell but I guess it was before that I 185 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:10,950 used to watch like these TV shows like 186 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:12,330 there was one on Disney Channel that was 187 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:13,860 so called so weird that was kind of like 188 00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:16,170 x-files for kids and then I liked 189 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:18,440 watching those like most haunted 190 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:21,690 scariest places on earth MTV fear that 191 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:22,890 were like this shows where the people 192 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:24,660 went into supposedly haunted locations 193 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:28,320 and like did like like challenges which 194 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:29,640 was they really looking back those shows 195 00:10:33,380 --> 00:10:31,200 really had nothing to do with ghost 196 00:10:35,270 --> 00:10:33,390 hunting there was a very little actual 197 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:35,280 haunting activity on those but got me 198 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:37,170 really interested in that subject and I 199 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:39,810 always I always had insomnia and I would 200 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:41,490 like listening to art Bell every night 201 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:44,130 since I was like 11 so it just got me 202 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:45,780 really hooked on that and then I love 203 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:47,670 rock music so it all kind of just goes 204 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:52,170 hand in hand and and what did you well 205 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:56,040 what would you would you consider what 206 00:11:02,330 --> 00:10:58,890 what would be your main if you had have 207 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:02,340 one select one what would you consider 208 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:06,090 to be your main profession um I honestly 209 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:08,760 I don't know because I mean the music's 210 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:10,680 always been more imagined at this point 211 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:13,230 I probably do more radio because music 212 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:15,390 there's really no money in music anymore 213 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:17,760 and it's kind of there's ice and no 214 00:11:23,060 --> 00:11:19,770 place to play rock and roll in New York 215 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:23,070 I'll tell you that yeah it's it's it's a 216 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:25,230 well I mean there are but I like you 217 00:11:29,060 --> 00:11:27,240 know like hipster stuff but as far as 218 00:11:31,070 --> 00:11:29,070 trying to have a mainstream music career 219 00:11:33,950 --> 00:11:31,080 it's kind of that ship has pretty much 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:33,960 sailed but yeah so I guess now it's 221 00:11:41,270 --> 00:11:37,410 pretty much radio well IIIi tell you I 222 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:41,280 enjoyed the listening to Europe several 223 00:11:45,319 --> 00:11:42,480 the the cuts 224 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:45,329 you had up there on YouTube it's kind of 225 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:48,180 the the music that I'm into and I've 226 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:52,529 always enjoyed female female rock 227 00:11:59,900 --> 00:11:55,230 musicians I mean Bonnie Parker I mean 228 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:03,530 Judas Priest this that you know just a 229 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:05,970 band I guess because the guys always 230 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:07,800 felt that they were more superior when 231 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:10,920 it came to playing a you know guitar or 232 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:13,290 performing certainly nobody's more a 233 00:12:19,819 --> 00:12:16,110 better guitar player than Lita Ford you 234 00:12:22,129 --> 00:12:19,829 know or whatever so Joan Jett and and so 235 00:12:25,819 --> 00:12:22,139 I said well man you know this this gal 236 00:12:28,610 --> 00:12:25,829 seems to have a lot going for so do you 237 00:12:30,199 --> 00:12:28,620 write your own music or I do I I've 238 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:30,209 always written my own music because I 239 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:31,889 just I think I feel like it's cheating 240 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:33,360 if you have somebody else write it so I 241 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:36,690 I'm a terrible guitarist but I write my 242 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:38,910 music on the guitar I do write the music 243 00:12:43,220 --> 00:12:40,800 and then when I go into the studio 244 00:12:44,930 --> 00:12:43,230 except well actually on my older stuff I 245 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:44,940 actually did play guitar on some of the 246 00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,610 older tracks like um the song Iron 247 00:12:51,379 --> 00:12:48,959 Maiden and I played the lead guitar on 248 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:51,389 that and I played the synthesizer on the 249 00:12:55,490 --> 00:12:53,490 demon I played the lead guitar and I 250 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:55,500 guess like all that pretty much 90% 251 00:13:00,949 --> 00:12:57,600 makes harm that song is me 252 00:13:03,379 --> 00:13:00,959 same with morning fantasy but I since 253 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:03,389 2013 I haven't played on my my 254 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:05,250 recordings just because it's easier to 255 00:13:08,540 --> 00:13:06,870 go into a studio just for like time 256 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:08,550 constraint to have somebody else play 257 00:13:12,259 --> 00:13:11,010 the stuff and it sounds better because 258 00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:12,269 I'm just like not that great of a 259 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:14,760 guitarist but I do write everything and 260 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:16,620 then like whoever I'm working with as a 261 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:18,360 producer they'll usually tweak it or 262 00:13:22,699 --> 00:13:20,550 like add in like a guitar solo or 263 00:13:24,889 --> 00:13:22,709 whatever though the guitar solo on page 264 00:13:27,819 --> 00:13:24,899 six I wrote I just didn't play it on the 265 00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:27,829 album hey you know I'm thinking now 266 00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:31,740 maybe we could put in a little bit of 267 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:35,279 music at this point so listeners can 268 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:38,850 kind of get an idea of where you're 269 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,730 you're coming from are we tuned up over 270 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:43,440 there I wonder in the engineering 271 00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:48,870 department that's I don't know our 272 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:52,220 producer said that she'll play a few of 273 00:13:56,060 --> 00:13:54,510 Samantha cuts from Samantha's song at 274 00:13:57,860 --> 00:13:56,070 the bottom of the hour break 275 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:57,870 the power of the hour yeah well maybe we 276 00:14:02,780 --> 00:13:59,160 may have may have to wait we may have to 277 00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:02,790 wait until that right now right now you 278 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:04,139 know Tina I could just see if she's 279 00:14:10,819 --> 00:14:07,800 scrambling at her board and spittle 280 00:14:14,180 --> 00:14:10,829 flying from her mouth as she is quietly 281 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:14,190 cursing us out yeah I'm pretty much a 282 00:14:19,129 --> 00:14:16,769 purist as far as trying to do what I 283 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:19,139 actually like and like so I write all my 284 00:14:21,379 --> 00:14:19,560 stuff 285 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:21,389 I've had people like a year ago I had 286 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,250 this guy who's a music manager 287 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:26,160 approached me and he was like oh I think 288 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:28,380 you could have a great career in rock I 289 00:14:32,449 --> 00:14:30,420 want you to spend X Y Z amount for like 290 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,459 different stuff and I want you to hire 291 00:14:36,259 --> 00:14:34,500 me to co-write your music and I want you 292 00:14:38,809 --> 00:14:36,269 into a completely different genre of 293 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:38,819 rock that's one that I don't like and 294 00:14:42,199 --> 00:14:40,800 we'll say that as far as the co-write it 295 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:42,209 was like that this guy would write the 296 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:43,980 music and the lyrics and I could put 297 00:14:48,379 --> 00:14:45,930 input on the second verse and I was just 298 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,389 like no I'm not gonna like lie and put 299 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:49,920 my name on something I didn't write and 300 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:53,040 I'm not going to play a genre of rock 301 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:54,750 that I don't like so I'd rather like not 302 00:14:59,840 --> 00:14:58,079 make musics and do that did you ever see 303 00:15:03,290 --> 00:14:59,850 a one of my favorite New York 304 00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:03,300 appearances a cycle [\h__\h] no I don't 305 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:04,740 really that's the thing I'm not somebody 306 00:15:08,809 --> 00:15:06,600 that actually goes to like open music 307 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:08,819 like the last concert I went to went to 308 00:15:12,350 --> 00:15:10,050 something last night that was something 309 00:15:14,269 --> 00:15:12,360 I would never go to I had like a guest 310 00:15:18,019 --> 00:15:14,279 list but the last concert like I went 311 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:18,029 willingly to was Billy Corgan played in 312 00:15:23,449 --> 00:15:20,250 Brooklyn about two weeks ago acoustic 313 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:23,459 and it was amazing very good well tell 314 00:15:29,449 --> 00:15:25,350 tell us a little bit something about the 315 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:29,459 the suspension everybody's curious about 316 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:33,529 that yeah so I got something I saw like 317 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:37,410 10 years ago maybe longer on the Travel 318 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:39,060 Channel and I thought it was absolutely 319 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:40,380 crazy and like something I would never 320 00:15:45,079 --> 00:15:43,500 do and then after I moved to New York I 321 00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:45,089 like saw people who's friends with on 322 00:15:48,769 --> 00:15:47,339 Facebook post videos or pictures doing 323 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:48,779 it I just thought that was like I still 324 00:15:52,309 --> 00:15:50,550 thought it was really crazy but I like 325 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:52,319 read up on it more and I just found it I 326 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:53,730 found it like interesting like I had 327 00:15:57,019 --> 00:15:55,230 kind of a station with it but there was 328 00:16:00,590 --> 00:15:57,029 still something I would never do and 329 00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,600 then in May of 2015 I want to see Jane's 330 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:02,160 Addiction and they have like girls to do 331 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:03,870 that at their concerts and the girls 332 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:05,310 look like they were having a really good 333 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,990 time and I was like I want to try that 334 00:16:09,650 --> 00:16:08,880 and so and I kind of got like this bug 335 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:09,660 but I had to 336 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:12,330 try it so I spent literally a year 337 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:14,250 researching different people that did it 338 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,700 like I asked for like referrals who to 339 00:16:21,050 --> 00:16:19,920 go with who is reputable because 340 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:21,060 obviously I'm not just gonna let any 341 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,070 random person put hooks in my back and 342 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,440 then I like talk to different people on 343 00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:27,600 the suspension forum on Facebook and ask 344 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,400 them about their experience with it like 345 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:31,440 what it means them how did it feels it 346 00:16:37,010 --> 00:16:33,720 was painful what did they get out of it 347 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:37,020 etc and I so then like a year a little 348 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:39,900 bit over a year later in August 2015 or 349 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:40,890 2016 350 00:16:47,570 --> 00:16:44,550 I did I did my first suspension on Long 351 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:47,580 Island with Sarah Scotty from white flag 352 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:50,040 suspension and I really enjoyed it it 353 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:51,630 was really cool I didn't have the 354 00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:53,220 religious experience that a lot of 355 00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:54,300 people talk about because a lot of 356 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:55,620 people claim it's like a religious thing 357 00:17:03,560 --> 00:16:59,160 I guess I guess a native Native American 358 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:03,570 cultures yes they did the suspension 359 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:07,770 kind of a rite of passage and do derive 360 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:10,500 from the Oh keep ah I figure which tribe 361 00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:12,960 that is and then the this there's it's 362 00:17:17,330 --> 00:17:14,660 not that like there's different I guess 363 00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:17,340 like tribes for the Sioux tribe it's 364 00:17:22,820 --> 00:17:19,680 part of the Sioux tribes Sundance 365 00:17:24,740 --> 00:17:22,830 ceremony is and is the suspension 366 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:24,750 there's a little bit different it was 367 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:26,970 like wood sticks I think that they were 368 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:28,830 animal bones they stuck under the skin 369 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:32,370 and the point of it was for the men it 370 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:34,980 was only men for them to like to suspend 371 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,140 listen hey III I have to say I admire 372 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:48,240 you there for your bravery as far as 373 00:17:52,270 --> 00:17:49,980 this goes when I I was in the hospital 374 00:17:55,460 --> 00:17:52,280 this week they rolled in this big 375 00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:55,470 computerized device and it started 376 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:57,270 giving me a little electric shock 377 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:00,360 treatment up and down my arms and my 378 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:03,240 legs to see if the you know there's any 379 00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:06,780 problems with the muscular response and 380 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:08,790 then another doctor came in and started 381 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:11,310 putting needles under my skin and 382 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:18,270 actually I thought of you acupuncture 383 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:20,500 which well 384 00:18:26,399 --> 00:18:23,049 low tolerance for just because I can't 385 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:26,409 sit still for 20 minutes yes Iren eyes 386 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:30,130 Cody invited me to participate in the 387 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:34,450 sendin ceremony but I respectfully 388 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:39,700 declined when I saw as as he just told 389 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:41,830 us you know it goes through your 390 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:45,970 pectorals then you hang there until the 391 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:48,730 flesh rips yeah that's you man 392 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:52,000 yeah that is too much and at the time I 393 00:18:59,310 --> 00:18:55,929 was an avid weightlifter and if I say so 394 00:19:07,490 --> 00:18:59,320 myself I had really terrific pecs and I 395 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:09,960 because I actually at least not with the 396 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:12,400 the body mod version I don't know it's 397 00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:15,610 Native American I think dangerous 398 00:19:21,390 --> 00:19:19,240 because it yes but but of course they do 399 00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:21,400 it you know on the surface but it's 400 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:24,220 really quite a ceremony well yeah 401 00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:27,100 people watching the YouTube edition of 402 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:30,390 this will get to see a clip from 403 00:19:40,350 --> 00:19:36,700 Samantha's a video in which she's this 404 00:19:43,549 --> 00:19:40,360 summer when she was excuse me when she 405 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:43,559 was talking about suspension I was 406 00:19:49,529 --> 00:19:47,289 trying to visualize a young woman there 407 00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:49,539 participating and I thought it has to be 408 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:53,080 a variation of the Native American 409 00:19:57,659 --> 00:19:55,510 ceremony well I did it through my back 410 00:19:59,370 --> 00:19:57,669 the first time I did it was two hooks 411 00:20:01,980 --> 00:19:59,380 through my back the second time through 412 00:20:04,169 --> 00:20:01,990 it was four hooks through my back and 413 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:04,179 the first time I only stayed up for 414 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:06,370 about ten minutes because it was I was 415 00:20:10,049 --> 00:20:08,140 outside it was August it was like a 416 00:20:11,549 --> 00:20:10,059 hundred degrees out on Long Island but 417 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:11,559 the second time I did it at a tattoo 418 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:14,650 convention and I seat up for like 45 419 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:16,390 minutes I could've stayed up all month I 420 00:20:19,169 --> 00:20:17,470 had to come down because they had 421 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:19,179 something planned it was going on like I 422 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:20,289 think they were giving out awards for 423 00:20:25,289 --> 00:20:23,320 the tattoos or whatever but it's it's 424 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:25,299 honestly not painful everyone thinks 425 00:20:29,159 --> 00:20:26,950 it's paint gonna be painful I know there 426 00:20:31,409 --> 00:20:29,169 are other areas of the body that like 427 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:31,419 the resurrection which is right under 428 00:20:37,030 --> 00:20:32,870 the breast 429 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:37,040 but that is very painful but um for the 430 00:20:40,450 --> 00:20:38,570 the back which is called the suicide 431 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,460 suspension it's really not painful like 432 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:42,320 once the hooks go in your endorphins 433 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:43,970 kick in and it's just kind of like a 434 00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,800 rush and you're kind of like very hot 435 00:20:50,770 --> 00:20:48,320 like happy and giddy though however like 436 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:50,780 about six hours after it you start to 437 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:52,850 feel pain the first time it was really 438 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:55,220 an horrible like worst pain I was ever 439 00:20:58,570 --> 00:20:56,930 in the second time it really wasn't that 440 00:20:59,410 --> 00:20:58,580 bad it's just you know you don't want to 441 00:21:10,169 --> 00:20:59,420 really do anything 442 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:12,549 constantly peg my dad like tries to 443 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:13,970 threaten me like okay well you're not 444 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:19,010 gonna get anything for Christmas all you 445 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:23,809 want is a suspension bar so what the 446 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,740 hooks on the nightstand in my bedroom 447 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:29,100 [Laughter] 448 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:36,880 underground a club in the village many 449 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:39,770 many years ago and there were I guess 450 00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:41,990 some strippers and dancers and all and 451 00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:44,840 they were bare to the bone and sticking 452 00:21:51,730 --> 00:21:46,580 each other with the you know these 453 00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:51,740 needles and putting in you'd like the 454 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:56,480 skewers yeah yeah there are some people 455 00:22:00,370 --> 00:21:58,130 that do that in their burlesque acts and 456 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:00,380 stuff yeah it looks really wrong that is 457 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:04,070 not for me I would never do some of them 458 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:09,890 even light up yeah you gotta get you get 459 00:22:15,790 --> 00:22:11,570 a little bit of color into your act 460 00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:15,800 they're you know black and blue just 461 00:22:20,169 --> 00:22:18,500 won't do it by yourself yeah I draw a 462 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:20,179 line and I would only ever do my back I 463 00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:22,610 think just because I don't like scars 464 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:24,800 and right now I have the scars on my 465 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:26,300 back which I just don't care because I 466 00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:28,190 don't really see my back but as for 467 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:29,900 anything else no I wouldn't I would 468 00:22:35,470 --> 00:22:32,330 never do the chest or the knees or any 469 00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,480 of that well I hear I hear the man up in 470 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:38,240 the sky is calling and we're having our 471 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:40,130 first little break here and then we will 472 00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:52,630 now back to exploring the bazaars with 473 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:55,220 two of the most electrifying researchers 474 00:23:06,930 --> 00:22:58,220 in the paranoid your hosts Timothy 475 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:13,490 Princeton 476 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:25,630 Oh 477 00:23:28,499 --> 00:23:26,110 [Applause] 478 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:28,509 [Music] 479 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:42,280 [Applause] 480 00:24:05,490 --> 00:23:48,270 [Music] 481 00:24:14,770 --> 00:24:09,210 well I was I want a seat in the VIP 482 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:14,780 section as close to the stage as 483 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:17,480 possible Samantha so what was his name 484 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:19,430 of the cut we were listening to that was 485 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:24,530 paid sex and do you have a website that 486 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:27,590 features your music um yeah everything 487 00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:29,750 like whether it's my music my clothing 488 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:31,550 line my radio show it's all on Samantha 489 00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,150 scarlet comm and scarlet spell SC AR le 490 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:38,240 tte I spelled it that way for Google 491 00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:41,600 purposes well that there you go 492 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:43,400 well wonderful we'll come back later on 493 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:47,000 and we'll play a another another tune 494 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:48,950 and like I said well as some of this 495 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:52,130 will be in our YouTube edition which 496 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:54,290 Peter will be working on and it will be 497 00:25:04,830 --> 00:24:58,250 up shortly one would hope so brother 498 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Brad what's going on out there in Iowa 499 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:07,970 well would you believe we're getting our 500 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:14,390 first no tonight I love the snow the 501 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:17,240 snow in Iowa especially with you in 502 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:21,110 Cherie we went down singing Christmas 503 00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:24,530 carols and I almost slid right across 504 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:31,990 the lake that was it was freezing cold 505 00:25:40,030 --> 00:25:36,740 well that was a long day we went looking 506 00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:40,040 for we went looking for the little I 507 00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:42,500 guess monument that had been left in 508 00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:49,070 tribute to the Big Bopper and all the 509 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:51,380 others that had gone down in that a 510 00:25:58,990 --> 00:25:54,830 terrible Buddy Holly Buddy Holly yeah 511 00:26:00,460 --> 00:25:59,000 that terribly Valens yeah we never we 512 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,470 never did find it though because we 513 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:02,270 couldn't quite get over the barbed wire 514 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:05,810 fence know that they haven't much more 515 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:09,380 accessible now well it should be it's 516 00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:10,940 the only Airport that I've ever seen 517 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:13,460 that actually has a thing about you know 518 00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:16,750 an air crash I'd be most of them one of 519 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:19,480 that up and keep it well tucked away but 520 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:21,340 there's a little plaque outside the the 521 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:25,450 airport and a tourist who come and and 522 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:28,330 the the hall where they hit games 523 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:32,290 earliest performance is still giving 524 00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:36,330 shows there oh and yeah I mean that's 525 00:26:42,990 --> 00:26:40,390 perpetually and I mean all the big names 526 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:43,000 in the music business they they come 527 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,270 there as if it's a you know a sacred 528 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:50,080 place to do homage so we have the top 529 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:53,890 groups who come and then every year at 530 00:27:00,090 --> 00:26:56,770 the time in the either at the end of 531 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:00,100 January first part of February there's a 532 00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:02,890 whole Buddy Holly festival they come 533 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:08,460 from all over we lost one of our 534 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:12,970 favorite musicians from the 1950s and 535 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:16,690 60s just a couple of days ago mr. Pham 536 00:27:24,170 --> 00:27:21,700 Domino right I remember I I found my 537 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:24,180 thrill on Blueberry 538 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:28,870 walking to New Orleans and a great 539 00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:31,630 musician and a talented individual and a 540 00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,670 very humble gentleman to say the least 541 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:38,320 and of course we thought we had lost him 542 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:41,470 during Katrina because he had kind of 543 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:44,500 just he had asthma real bad and nobody 544 00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,660 had heard from him and they finally 545 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:48,700 found him he was at home and of course 546 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:51,640 the the place that he he owned there was 547 00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:54,190 kind of an inn in shambles but he did 548 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:56,440 survive and he continued to perform for 549 00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,450 a number of years and was one of the 550 00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:01,360 first of the fees into the Rock and Roll 551 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:06,760 Hall of Fame so uh sat another great 552 00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:17,280 tribute the area which is you know 553 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:19,780 remember there's a lot of snow that that 554 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:21,610 kind of prevented us from finding Lee 555 00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:25,330 the monument do so at anyway we had a 556 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:29,309 delivery and the fellow said you know 557 00:28:35,779 --> 00:28:32,809 I've never been as he's unloading the 558 00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:35,789 massage here that we we bought very 559 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:39,059 lurcher and he said so he says I've 560 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:43,200 really busted but getting here because I 561 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,980 want to have time without getting behind 562 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:49,919 my schedule just stop and pay my tribute 563 00:28:55,639 --> 00:28:52,980 at buddy javis grave 564 00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:55,649 and he was probably well he said he'd 565 00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:58,110 been a sailor he'd been a policeman and 566 00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:02,220 he had to be you in his mid-60s anyway 567 00:29:07,489 --> 00:29:05,429 but he he was he wanted to go out there 568 00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:07,499 and I said well I gave him directions 569 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:09,990 and I said I hope you have better luck 570 00:29:16,609 --> 00:29:14,129 than a buddy of mine on Christmas but 571 00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:16,619 sherry said one thing he wanted you to 572 00:29:25,989 --> 00:29:19,470 know is that tonight we're not going to 573 00:29:28,609 --> 00:29:25,999 sim sing Christmas carols well good good 574 00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:28,619 well we have another singer on tonight 575 00:29:36,379 --> 00:29:34,740 so we listen to another person well I 576 00:29:46,609 --> 00:29:36,389 was going to say maybe maybe you could 577 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:46,619 sing Halloween I was like feeling my 578 00:29:52,009 --> 00:29:47,879 normal self I wouldn't have a problem 579 00:30:10,999 --> 00:29:52,019 with it not so much no we'll get we'll 580 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:11,009 get mad and Tim Beckley - that's pretty 581 00:30:20,299 --> 00:30:16,980 good there Brad well I think you know 582 00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:20,309 one of the reasons that that we're here 583 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:24,779 tonight is that you know hopefully we 584 00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:33,519 scary stories you know whether or not 585 00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:36,980 they actually they happen to us or if 586 00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,139 you know maybe somebody told you you 587 00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:42,360 know they're scary story that just you 588 00:30:47,369 --> 00:30:43,059 know absolutely 589 00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:47,379 the florid you you know I mean I think 590 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,740 everybody has something at least once in 591 00:30:55,769 --> 00:30:53,200 their life that probably scared the hell 592 00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:55,779 out of them that they they either can't 593 00:31:03,509 --> 00:30:59,850 explain or don't want to try to explain 594 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:03,519 and hopefully when Tim Beckley comes 595 00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:06,070 back you know he'll have some for us for 596 00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:08,230 us because he always has you know just 597 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:10,299 some great stories but we'll start with 598 00:31:15,899 --> 00:31:13,529 you Brad I mean you know I mean you've 599 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:15,909 you've you been around the block a few 600 00:31:23,879 --> 00:31:21,730 times and and and you know you're not Ju 601 00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:23,889 you've never been you know just an 602 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:26,830 armchair writer I mean I know that you 603 00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:29,049 you know you've been out there you know 604 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,539 in the field and and and you know seem 605 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:33,820 some things yourself I mean so I mean 606 00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:37,450 out of all the stuff that you have 607 00:31:41,549 --> 00:31:39,460 experienced what would you say would be 608 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,559 the one thing that just you know right 609 00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:43,840 now just stands out in your in your mind 610 00:31:50,239 --> 00:31:45,429 is this you know being something that 611 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:50,249 you know just scared the hell out of you 612 00:31:58,619 --> 00:31:55,450 well it took a while for the hell a good 613 00:32:00,509 --> 00:31:58,629 scare autonomy because I I think you 614 00:32:04,169 --> 00:32:00,519 know you know that I grew up in the 615 00:32:09,239 --> 00:32:04,179 haunted house surin it had been the old 616 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:09,249 stagecoach stop and as my sister and I 617 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:13,330 would would say as we would see entities 618 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:15,129 walking through at night there must have 619 00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:17,950 been a lot of people who missed the 620 00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:20,980 stage because the passengers some of 621 00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:24,460 them are still roaming around so but the 622 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:27,100 thing of it was after well you know 623 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:29,529 sometimes you got startled sometimes you 624 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:35,200 know and the haunting increased as we 625 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:38,110 got older now I've read I've reflected 626 00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:41,950 on this many times because when we were 627 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:44,980 small they just kind of walked through 628 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:48,129 the bedrooms and so forth now the only 629 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,129 time you really felt a shiver is when 630 00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,919 they stopped and made eye contact with 631 00:33:02,670 --> 00:32:54,880 you 632 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:02,680 just walked through and my my mother who 633 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,810 could have been a median if she had 634 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:07,600 chosen or maybe maybe she was and and 635 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:10,090 and I didn't realize that how much but 636 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:14,050 she would communicate with one of the 637 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:17,920 female goes and this ghost gave a lot of 638 00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:20,200 information because you know we had 639 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:23,830 converted the stage go-stop into a farm 640 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,440 home and so she this being this ghost 641 00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,320 would tell mom you know to advise my 642 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:34,960 father you know that a big storm was 643 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:38,260 coming more you know it was time to get 644 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:39,970 in you know don't hesitate any longer 645 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:42,520 and and really you know I look back 646 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:45,700 really pragmatic advice you know that 647 00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:50,950 that was worthy of listening to as the 648 00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:55,150 as we grew older then the thumps and the 649 00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,450 bumps and the crashes and the moving of 650 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:01,600 furniture and and so forth that really 651 00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:04,810 would especially if if you were home 652 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,409 alone and suddenly things began moving 653 00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:11,230 and and you know pounding the walls and 654 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:14,409 so forth would you know I I was never 655 00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:19,330 that steel hearted but I never felt that 656 00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:24,480 I would be harmed so it wasn't until 657 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:29,409 many many years later that investigating 658 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:36,250 a home in in Nebraska and it was at one 659 00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:38,290 time been a mansion kind of on the old 660 00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:43,270 trail out west and lots of things were 661 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:45,070 happening there and none of them 662 00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:48,010 particularly pleasant blood would flow 663 00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:50,379 from the basement walls from time to 664 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:52,780 time and and they're really course 665 00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:55,330 looking entities were seen that that 666 00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:01,630 frightened all the family blood flew 667 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:04,600 from the blood was coming out of the 668 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:06,310 basement walls like did you ever 669 00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:08,660 pictures of this did you forget sample 670 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:12,920 like that's insane well the thing that 671 00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:16,760 had happened is he is it had sat empty 672 00:35:26,109 --> 00:35:21,700 for time as you might suppose and a 673 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:26,119 number of bodies were found and in the 674 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:29,210 basement in which they had been morton 675 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:31,750 murdered horribly 676 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:34,130 throat slit and so forth 677 00:35:40,329 --> 00:35:37,010 and that may that may have been 678 00:35:42,789 --> 00:35:40,339 psychically the reason for the blood now 679 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:42,799 we never took samples because this was 680 00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:45,710 just reported to us by the individuals 681 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:48,109 but we did have record of the murders 682 00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,150 that had been found there when the place 683 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:54,079 that empty no no is that the famous 684 00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:56,770 place where they would actually have 685 00:36:01,240 --> 00:35:59,420 like salesmen and travelers stay 686 00:36:04,349 --> 00:36:01,250 overnight and then they would 687 00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:04,359 mysteriously kind of vanish or disappear 688 00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:10,280 no that was another one but in this 689 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:14,630 particular case Irene Hughes the very 690 00:36:19,269 --> 00:36:16,609 famous meeting them whom some people 691 00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:19,279 recognize her name she's no longer with 692 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:22,430 us on the earth plane but she was she 693 00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:26,690 and I were in a closet closet area and 694 00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:29,180 she was picking up impressions and I was 695 00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,119 recording them and the door kept trying 696 00:36:38,109 --> 00:36:35,359 to close now I don't know if you I think 697 00:36:42,279 --> 00:36:38,119 you may have bet my friend Glen Glen the 698 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:42,289 Queen at one time Tim he was he was a 699 00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:45,380 former Green Beret and you know I always 700 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:48,950 loved having him with me and and there 701 00:36:54,430 --> 00:36:51,890 were a number of newspaper people there 702 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:54,440 recording you know what what is the 703 00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,599 ghost hunter and the medium going to 704 00:37:01,809 --> 00:36:59,119 find and so forth so everyone was taking 705 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:01,819 notes and watching us move around and we 706 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:03,890 were as I said recording and the door 707 00:37:08,109 --> 00:37:05,900 kept trying to close on us and it was 708 00:37:12,549 --> 00:37:08,119 really difficult because this was really 709 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:12,559 a rough roughly porn cement basement 710 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:15,410 floor and that really the door had to 711 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:19,849 kind of push itself over some risings in 712 00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:21,450 the cement 713 00:37:28,309 --> 00:37:26,099 so I got when we left I said okay the 714 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:28,319 blankety-blank thing wants the door 715 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:33,150 closed close it and lock it and I 716 00:37:40,339 --> 00:37:37,230 realized too late that this was not just 717 00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,349 a haunting there was an intelligence 718 00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:43,440 involved here and intelligence that I 719 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:47,339 could make angry and we no longer had 720 00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:50,970 got upstairs when the door we heard it 721 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,390 this shatter as it was ripped from the 722 00:38:00,319 --> 00:37:57,240 hinges then we heard boom boom boom 723 00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:00,329 coming up the steps and all six of us 724 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:03,180 investigators and newspaper people were 725 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:05,609 lifted into the air and then dropped 726 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:09,710 wait a minute wait a minute to you yeah 727 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:13,170 you will lift it into the air well they 728 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:20,130 don't have that suspension thankfully we 729 00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:28,470 did not stay very long well Tim said he 730 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:29,640 wanted scary ones 731 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:33,359 though that's a good scary one and I 732 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,970 mean okay when you were lifted up I 733 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:37,619 don't know yeah but matter of seconds I 734 00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:42,000 guess did you feel weightless or cut LA 735 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,260 I felt amazed I felt amazement I found 736 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:49,520 amazement because I had to revise 737 00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,970 because I had written at that time at 738 00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:56,880 least two or three books on ghosts yes 739 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:01,160 and I I pad presented a theory that 740 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:05,150 largely what we're talking about is a 741 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:10,530 residual element that just as a film is 742 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,579 somehow impressed right it can be played 743 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:17,280 back by people of the proper psychic 744 00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:20,910 affinity and if you go into a bedroom or 745 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:23,819 someone poor person maybe had died in 746 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:26,700 anguish death or the disease and this 747 00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:29,849 had lasted a while you almost can feel 748 00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:32,579 you know the the type of anguish still 749 00:39:36,970 --> 00:39:34,460 somehow impressed and that 750 00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:36,980 environment and I felt that this would 751 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:38,990 really account for the majority I mean 752 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:41,660 we went to this you know this is way 753 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:45,280 back in the sixties of it and we went to 754 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,650 you know hippy houses and and so forth 755 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:51,440 where they had manifestations occurring 756 00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:53,690 and you can think of all kinds of 757 00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,420 reasons why they were seeing apparitions 758 00:40:02,500 --> 00:39:59,359 and so forth some of it may have been 759 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:02,510 fueled by by other elements that were 760 00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:05,690 imbibed but at any rate the group mind 761 00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:08,380 of these people in that particular home 762 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:11,240 it would create these kind of entities 763 00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:14,050 that we could dissolve with with with 764 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:17,540 kind of an exorcism not the formal Roman 765 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:19,510 Catholic sort and so forth but 766 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:22,910 disbalances we call and Paulino instead 767 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:28,040 of the local priests right so so this 768 00:40:32,579 --> 00:40:30,320 was the situation then in which I had to 769 00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:32,589 revise you know that there are 770 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:35,560 intelligences that are you know 771 00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:39,410 responding to what we how we respond to 772 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:42,109 them what we might say and how we might 773 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:46,250 treat them and it was almost an 774 00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:50,030 awakening of sorts because then house 775 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:53,240 after house that we investigated it 776 00:41:00,099 --> 00:40:56,030 seemed like a door had been opened where 777 00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:00,109 we would hear were they they being the 778 00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:01,849 spirits for lack of a better term 779 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:05,030 analogy aware that brother Brad was 780 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:10,910 coming I know that's one of the 781 00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:12,950 questions you know that that give me is 782 00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:17,240 give me kind of a server even even still 783 00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:23,420 because the people largely were unaware 784 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:28,460 on occasion an occasion one had read my 785 00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:30,500 book or they'd heard of Maher 786 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:33,020 heard me on coast to coast or whatever 787 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:37,730 and so they knew who I was but most of 788 00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:41,900 them is just this guy and his team that 789 00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:44,420 would come and maybe D haunt you're all 790 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:45,270 sorted 791 00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:49,720 but but yes sometimes it felt as though 792 00:41:59,760 --> 00:41:55,600 I was expected and and the various 793 00:42:05,160 --> 00:41:59,770 demonstrations would seem to do lend to 794 00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,170 that because him you and I ever since 795 00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:07,440 we've known each other witches and 796 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:13,060 decade no o l19 instead of doing ghost 797 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:15,850 books you had just done your first book 798 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:20,790 on UFOs strangers right from the sky 799 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:24,670 1966 and I met you I believe it was at 800 00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:30,960 the great a Commodore hotel exactly UFO 801 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:35,950 event that mr. Jim Mosely put on and I'm 802 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:39,610 gonna introduce a Roy Thinnes and vy 803 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:42,490 venus landed from outer space and long 804 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:44,860 johns showed up with paris Lamond and it 805 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:49,120 was the largest indoor a UFO conference 806 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:52,510 would attracted probably about 30,000 807 00:43:00,110 --> 00:42:57,250 people for the entire weekend yes and 808 00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:00,120 we've been brothers ever since it's much 809 00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:05,230 indeed but my point was we've always 810 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:07,870 said a sense of humor about things right 811 00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:11,560 I mean what we we take things seriously 812 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:14,680 both of us and I'm talking about the 813 00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:16,870 other Tim to I'm going to include him 814 00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:23,320 thank you yet but yes would we we don't 815 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:26,950 hang our entire existence on what we may 816 00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:29,830 find or what may occur what what we may 817 00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:35,380 a per hand and we've always been able to 818 00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,840 laugh at ourselves if we really get 819 00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:40,200 flustered or really get frightened and 820 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,240 discussing it between us helps bring 821 00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:46,420 things back to moderation again and and 822 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:49,540 so that kind of attitude I've tried to 823 00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:52,420 maintain all during our my ghost hunting 824 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:53,480 days 825 00:44:00,609 --> 00:43:56,210 the ones with that we've encountered 826 00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:00,619 with sherry now that's that's very 827 00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:04,220 interesting because sure he never went 828 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:07,790 with me on a ghost expedition but she 829 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:13,150 herself no she tracks goes that guess 830 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:17,359 but because we stayed in hotel rooms and 831 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:20,089 we stayed in various homes and so forth 832 00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:22,730 where the manifestations have occurred 833 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:26,569 and one particularly in Bellingham 834 00:44:29,859 --> 00:44:29,089 Washington where we're scheduled to give 835 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:29,869 a lecture 836 00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:34,010 she kept waking me or confused because 837 00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:35,780 she says what are you doing in bed but 838 00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:37,940 you're sitting over there and she 839 00:44:43,930 --> 00:44:40,220 thought she saw me sitting in a chair 840 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:43,940 and then she saw a man pacing and pacing 841 00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:46,730 and pacing and then and this would freak 842 00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:49,880 me out she's lying there in a baby's 843 00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:54,470 hand grabs her finger and she sees a 844 00:45:05,069 --> 00:44:59,180 baby in bed with her and and then of 845 00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:05,079 course we find out that our host because 846 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:07,460 Jerry really didn't sleep much that 847 00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:09,710 night and we had this compete so I said 848 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:11,390 well try to get a little sleep I'll go 849 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:13,369 down have breakfast with our host and so 850 00:45:19,089 --> 00:45:15,290 forth and there's a whole group there 851 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,099 just staring at me when I walk in and 852 00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:21,940 they say did you see it did you see and 853 00:45:32,549 --> 00:45:26,049 of course this was a room in which a 854 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:32,559 sorrowing husband is yeah his wife is 855 00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:36,410 really dying in childbirth and the baby 856 00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:39,500 is delivered and that's why she that was 857 00:45:44,859 --> 00:45:42,920 the man she saw pacing not I and that 858 00:45:48,339 --> 00:45:44,869 was the man she saw sitting in the chair 859 00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:48,349 weeping not I and the babies I grabbed 860 00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:53,470 her finger you know that was there yeah 861 00:45:59,770 --> 00:45:56,900 very saying she was things that was 862 00:46:03,339 --> 00:45:59,780 guided to her because sure is a great 863 00:46:05,859 --> 00:46:03,349 mother maybe that little baby wherever 864 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:05,869 it exists now needed a little of the 865 00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:07,290 mother vibration 866 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:09,600 but those are the kind of things that 867 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:13,380 Shirin is experienced and of course I 868 00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,810 suppose in a sense I'm a ghost magnet 869 00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:18,780 too since I grew up in a haunted house 870 00:46:23,420 --> 00:46:20,550 and have seen them ever since I was a 871 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:23,430 kid so well this is this is a 872 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:27,450 conversation in a half and we welcome 873 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:29,970 the listeners of course the call-in 874 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:32,730 whether a website regardless of what 875 00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:35,700 side of the veil they may be telephoning 876 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:39,630 a from and we will be right back and 877 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:44,130 with our exciting show celebrating the 878 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:49,490 best night of the year happy Halloween 879 00:47:01,480 --> 00:46:51,010 everyone 880 00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:06,300 [Music] 881 00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:10,800 explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride 882 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:13,260 into the world of the paranormal 883 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:16,570 strap yourself in as we traverse the 884 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:20,880 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 885 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:23,970 ghosts Lost Worlds 886 00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:26,350 cryptozoology as well as other 887 00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:30,220 dimensions it's time to take back the 888 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:35,350 night now your electrifying hosts of 889 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:38,470 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 890 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:43,090 team sports and welcome back to 891 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:45,640 exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Swardson 892 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:48,070 tonight we're talking with Brad Steiger 893 00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:49,840 and Samantha Scarlett 894 00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:56,080 so now Samantha we've heard a scary true 895 00:48:00,990 --> 00:47:57,670 story from Brad what about yourself 896 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:01,000 anything happened to you I've had a lot 897 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:04,810 of experiences with ghosts or what I 898 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:07,090 think are ghosts but I'm not like 899 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:09,010 convinced yeah I know that sounds crazy 900 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:11,830 but yeah I don't even know where the 901 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:13,690 star I guess I'll just tell once it 902 00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:15,250 happened in hotels because then maybe 903 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:17,020 like other people can go and experience 904 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:19,330 for themselves so the one of like the 905 00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,430 first time where I was at a hotel where 906 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:24,160 it seems to be haunted was when I was 17 907 00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:27,310 so like 10 years ago for 4th of July my 908 00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:29,140 mom and I went for two weeks to the 909 00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:31,180 Coronado del hotel you know the big 910 00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:33,640 Victorian that's known to be haunted but 911 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:35,350 we actually didn't even stay in the 912 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:37,210 original hotel they have newer buildings 913 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:39,250 I think we're built in the 70s or 80s 914 00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:40,900 maybe even 90s I mean they're pretty 915 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,230 pretty new that are next to the hotel 916 00:48:49,110 --> 00:48:46,960 and the newer section is built over 917 00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:49,120 where I guess back in the 1800s when the 918 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:51,700 hotel first opened obviously looks like 919 00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:54,730 Hotel del was for the ultra-rich but if 920 00:48:57,690 --> 00:48:55,900 people who are like you know 921 00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,700 middle-class who couldn't afford to stay 922 00:49:01,500 --> 00:48:59,920 in the hotel they had next to it there 923 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:01,510 was like campgrounds that were on the 924 00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:03,010 hotel grounds I guess you could use the 925 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:05,320 hotel like amenities just have a hotel 926 00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:07,690 room so we where we were saying was 927 00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:10,060 built over these camp old campgrounds 928 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:14,020 and the first night we got there I guess 929 00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:15,610 there was like I mean it's been 10 years 930 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:17,140 they're really good nominees really the 931 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:19,690 sound on the TV would go up and down 932 00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:22,030 like the one day I was in the bathroom 933 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:25,030 and I was flat ironing my hair and I had 934 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,130 a CD on the CD player this is back when 935 00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:30,160 everyone still had CDs and like all of a 936 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:32,320 sudden the sound on the CD player like 937 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:33,970 it changed I think I can't remember if I 938 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:35,620 went up or down but it went like it's 939 00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,810 spiked like off-the-charts and then 940 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:40,000 switch songs on its own like it was just 941 00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:42,850 bizarre and in the middle of that trip 942 00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:44,710 because I was like 17 I loved Fall Out 943 00:49:48,810 --> 00:49:47,560 Boy I I made my mom take me to this 944 00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:48,820 thing it was for the Fall Out Boy fan 945 00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:50,740 club where you had to check out we had 946 00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:52,060 to check out the hotel and it was like a 947 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:54,310 two-day thing where he stayed with like 948 00:49:57,570 --> 00:49:56,050 the fallout was like a convention so 949 00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:57,580 went to this Fall Out Boy convention 950 00:50:01,980 --> 00:49:59,410 thing and then we went back to the hotel 951 00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:01,990 Dell and I was like you know mom I 952 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:03,400 really really really want to stay in the 953 00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:06,010 old section the Victorian section can we 954 00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,990 do it she's like fine Samantha you go 955 00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:10,000 take care of checking in I'm going to 956 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:12,430 the beach so I check into this room in 957 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:14,680 the old section it was oceanfront our 958 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:17,050 other room has an oceanfront and we get 959 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:19,090 I get into the room and it just felt 960 00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:21,640 really creepy unlike the guy who was the 961 00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:23,110 belt hop he even said to me are you sure 962 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:25,990 you want to stay in this room I'm fine 963 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:28,120 no I was like I'm fine it wasn't it 964 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:29,470 wasn't the Kate Morgan room the Kate 965 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:31,330 Morgan room actually faces the road it's 966 00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:32,710 unlike the other side the hotel it 967 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:35,140 wasn't any link no and haunted room and 968 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:36,850 I just you know like that was obviously 969 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:38,650 a bad thing and like the fan or 970 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:40,450 something in the room wasn't working and 971 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:42,490 they had to send up some like tech 972 00:50:46,770 --> 00:50:45,130 engineer to like fix that and the way 973 00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:46,780 that the room was set up because when 974 00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,670 the hotel was built in like the 1880s 975 00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:50,800 they didn't have internal plumbing so 976 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:52,180 like the whole you know it's like a 977 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:54,070 narrow room and then in the center of 978 00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:55,270 the room there's like a bathroom that 979 00:50:59,010 --> 00:50:56,560 juts out so there's like a bedroom 980 00:51:00,840 --> 00:50:59,020 bathroom sitting room and like a tiny 981 00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,850 little breezeway so I hadn't showered 982 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:02,500 that morning because I got up really 983 00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:03,940 early to leave the Fall Out Boy 984 00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:05,380 convention which is not like a holiday 985 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:07,750 and I was just skiing out and so I was 986 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:09,730 like okay I'll shower in the room so I 987 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:11,530 go and I take her I take a shower in 988 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:14,650 this bathroom in the Dell and the 989 00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:18,250 curtains in this dingy like I like it 990 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:19,480 and that's everything the lighting 991 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:20,980 wasn't that great and you know this is 992 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:23,530 2007 in a five-star hotel the lighting 993 00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,510 wasn't that great the shower curtains 994 00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:28,480 were blowing and it freaked me out like 995 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:31,240 I so then like after I got out of the 996 00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,890 shower I took a picture on the door with 997 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:33,280 my 998 00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:36,250 camera of the hotel map how they have 999 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:36,760 for fires 1000 00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:38,170 so I could show my friends like oh this 1001 00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:40,030 is how far I am from the Kate Morgan 1002 00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:41,380 room the haunted room and I took like 1003 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:43,300 two pictures in there and then I went to 1004 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:45,070 my computer and I imported the pictures 1005 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:47,770 now I had on that same camera and it was 1006 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:50,650 like a $800 canon point-and-click camera 1007 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:52,210 that gotten for my birthday that year I 1008 00:51:56,220 --> 00:51:54,610 had like several hundred pictures I had 1009 00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:56,230 taken the day before at the Fall Out Boy 1010 00:52:00,030 --> 00:51:57,940 concert and that's this year the San 1011 00:52:02,340 --> 00:52:00,040 Diego Zoo with Fall Out Boy and all 1012 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,350 those pictures came out all my fall Out 1013 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:04,240 Boy pictures with hair on the computer 1014 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:06,010 the two pictures I took in the hotel 1015 00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:09,250 room came up corrupted so my mom comes 1016 00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:10,870 up from the beach and she comes into the 1017 00:52:13,710 --> 00:52:12,460 room and she's just like as soon as she 1018 00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:13,720 got in there stick we're not staying in 1019 00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,940 this room like she just felt this 1020 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:17,920 terrible vibe so we checked out of that 1021 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:20,230 room we went back to the new section to 1022 00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:22,030 another oceanfront room and we had weird 1023 00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,340 stuff in that room like when we looked 1024 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:27,420 the light the light thing the cord to 1025 00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:30,370 the lamp was like out of the socket but 1026 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:31,990 it was like hanging out of the socket 1027 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:33,910 like it was really bizarre and like the 1028 00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:35,110 last night that we were in that room 1029 00:52:37,830 --> 00:52:36,340 when we were literally when we were 1030 00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:37,840 checking out I had forgot I'd put 1031 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:39,940 another CD in the CD player and I forgot 1032 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:41,770 my CD and as we're checking out as we're 1033 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:43,390 taking our last bit of luggage out of 1034 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:45,490 the room the CD player came on like the 1035 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:48,490 ghost was reminding me that I had left 1036 00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:51,460 my CD in the CD player and there's other 1037 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:52,750 stuff there like the one that when we 1038 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,970 were walking at night by the pool by the 1039 00:52:58,770 --> 00:52:56,770 beach I you know it smelt like there was 1040 00:53:00,060 --> 00:52:58,780 perfume or something and then the one 1041 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:00,070 night when I wanted to go try to find 1042 00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,830 the Kate Morgan room we got lost in the 1043 00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,960 old section like it was terrifying it 1044 00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:06,300 felt like it was out of like The Shining 1045 00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:07,540 rose-red 1046 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,940 how the hallways were and it was just 1047 00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:11,920 it's like a maze and back it was just 1048 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:13,270 really creepy back then because I don't 1049 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:14,920 know now but there was no cell phone 1050 00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,570 reception on Coronado so you couldn't 1051 00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:18,400 even call for help and it took us like 1052 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:20,230 an hour to find our way back to the 1053 00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:23,770 elevator so that was like a really 1054 00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,120 creepy experience to like I definitely 1055 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:27,040 think there's something at the hotel 1056 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:29,890 tell that that's haunted and then more 1057 00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:32,530 recently at the Plaza Hotel in New York 1058 00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:35,230 I've had weird stuff happen on the when 1059 00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:38,200 I've stayed on the fifth floor lake back 1060 00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:41,710 in December 2014 I was staying there 1061 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,840 with my mom actually at Christmas she 1062 00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,910 had like bought me for Christmas 1063 00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:46,980 tickets to see 1064 00:53:52,589 --> 00:53:49,809 him and the Smashing Pumpkins two nights 1065 00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:52,599 in a row and we stayed over at the Plaza 1066 00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,750 and the when we got to that room the 1067 00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:57,760 first day that we were there there was 1068 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:01,839 issues with like the the heat is like 1069 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:03,849 when we first got that night I'd put the 1070 00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,170 heat on and that night when we came back 1071 00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:07,119 to the room and this is December in New 1072 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:09,190 York it was like 90 degrees in the room 1073 00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,170 when a week we couldn't get the heat 1074 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:13,359 down and my mom was like she was like 1075 00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:15,490 Samantha did you like I'm like I don't 1076 00:54:20,339 --> 00:54:17,260 know I like I'm really tech savvy so she 1077 00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,349 had to call the via what to call the 1078 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:21,760 engineer and they couldn't figure out 1079 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:23,529 how to get the heat down like they there 1080 00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:24,609 was something wrong with it like it 1081 00:54:28,289 --> 00:54:26,920 would not turn down and there was like 1082 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:28,299 other stuff like every time she took a 1083 00:54:33,690 --> 00:54:30,910 shower her shower was cold my shower was 1084 00:54:34,799 --> 00:54:33,700 normal and there was like a lot of stuff 1085 00:54:37,799 --> 00:54:34,809 that happened the second day we were 1086 00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:37,809 there was really freaky because I got 1087 00:54:41,819 --> 00:54:40,390 out of the shower and I noticed and I 1088 00:54:43,650 --> 00:54:41,829 didn't tell my mom until we checked out 1089 00:54:46,019 --> 00:54:43,660 I noticed in the hallway or like the 1090 00:54:48,269 --> 00:54:46,029 entryway to the hotel room there was 1091 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:48,279 what looked to be bleach and bloodstains 1092 00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:50,470 on the carpet and that hood that hotel 1093 00:54:54,029 --> 00:54:52,329 was renovating like 10 years ago so 1094 00:54:57,299 --> 00:54:54,039 these are new car it's not like this 1095 00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:57,309 goes back years like so their bleach 1096 00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:58,930 stains in the carpet and there was just 1097 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:00,700 other weird stuff that happened on that 1098 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:02,410 trip like we got somebody else's 1099 00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:05,170 newspapers like they it was the day that 1100 00:55:10,349 --> 00:55:06,849 the royal family was visiting from 1101 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,359 England and they gave me newspapers from 1102 00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:12,400 like the UK Telegraph that had the royal 1103 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:14,140 family stuff there's all these UK papers 1104 00:55:17,130 --> 00:55:15,490 like oh that's nice of them that they 1105 00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:17,140 gave me things and I don't check out it 1106 00:55:21,569 --> 00:55:18,760 like had on the thing like oh you 1107 00:55:23,279 --> 00:55:21,579 ordered the UK Telegraph and we didn't 1108 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:23,289 order that so it was like it was like as 1109 00:55:27,539 --> 00:55:25,180 if somebody had stayed in our room right 1110 00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:27,549 before and it was weird because also 1111 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,980 when we checked in that there wasn't 1112 00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:31,690 supposed to be any rooms available on 1113 00:55:35,549 --> 00:55:33,160 the price range that that room was on 1114 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:35,559 and then magically we asked would you 1115 00:55:39,329 --> 00:55:37,930 have any rooms at the whatever level it 1116 00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:39,339 was available and like you know we have 1117 00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:42,520 one room it just came available so when 1118 00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:44,950 like I honestly can't remember all of it 1119 00:55:48,299 --> 00:55:46,569 in detail but it was just really freaky 1120 00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:48,309 and my mom was like do you think this 1121 00:55:51,450 --> 00:55:50,230 room's hauntin like oh no and then when 1122 00:55:52,859 --> 00:55:51,460 I told her about the bleach scene she's 1123 00:55:54,359 --> 00:55:52,869 freaked out and I sent the pictures to a 1124 00:55:56,099 --> 00:55:54,369 friend that was like a mortician and 1125 00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,109 she's like those look like they happened 1126 00:56:00,040 --> 00:55:58,480 within the last month anywhere from 24 1127 00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,050 hours to one month 1128 00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:02,720 so fast that was on the fifth floor fast 1129 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:05,000 forward a year later we had stayed there 1130 00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:06,650 one other time in between we were on a 1131 00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,900 different floor I I'm going to an event 1132 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:10,640 in New York and my mom and my assistant 1133 00:56:16,090 --> 00:56:12,650 stay with me in this room on the fifth 1134 00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:16,100 floor and I got back from this event at 1135 00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:18,260 like 4:00 in the morning and I come into 1136 00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,910 the room and I'm telling them about the 1137 00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:21,920 event and all of a sudden we hear this 1138 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:24,830 loud banging on one of them one of the 1139 00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:27,050 walls like to the east and it's like so 1140 00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:29,030 loud like I can't even explain it so I'm 1141 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:31,430 like the hotel was collapsing and my 1142 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:32,810 assistant went down to the hallway and 1143 00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:35,570 there was a night like patrol like 1144 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:37,220 security doing a night patrol and the 1145 00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:39,650 guy he was like terrified he was like 1146 00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:41,420 what I'm gonna try and see what happened 1147 00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:43,880 what that was so then like ten minutes 1148 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,360 later there was another loud banging but 1149 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:49,040 it came from the opposite direction and 1150 00:56:52,690 --> 00:56:51,050 it was just really freaking both times 1151 00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:52,700 that I had these weird experiences at 1152 00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:54,350 the hotel it was on the fifth floor and 1153 00:56:57,850 --> 00:56:56,270 if you look into the hotel's history 1154 00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:57,860 when the hotel was first built like 1155 00:57:01,000 --> 00:56:59,480 during the construction one of the 1156 00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,010 construction workers was murdered and 1157 00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:02,720 his body fell to the fifth floor 1158 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:05,120 and then there was also the Woolworths 1159 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:07,250 heiress and the Hutton commit suicide on 1160 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:09,650 the fifth floor so don't ever stand the 1161 00:57:20,860 --> 00:57:10,910 fifth floor of The Plaza Hotel in New 1162 00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:20,870 York I guess not Department is sending 1163 00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:26,600 is an email right now they're all the 1164 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:28,100 time but don't stay on the eighth floor 1165 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:29,930 unless you're looking for ghosts 1166 00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:33,770 well you know it's it seems that hotels 1167 00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:38,260 have gotten a mighty reputation in 1168 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:40,790 recent years our I don't know maybe it 1169 00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:46,780 started with the shining of being yeah 1170 00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:50,030 being haunted I don't know and every 1171 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:52,820 every ghost club in America it seems to 1172 00:57:57,490 --> 00:57:54,530 me they're always inviting people down 1173 00:58:02,990 --> 00:57:57,500 to their a weekend event at some local 1174 00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:03,000 hotel now of course I say that the hotel 1175 00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:07,360 Colorado od I'm the Stanley yeah well no 1176 00:58:11,790 --> 00:58:09,940 no this is the the one in the Glenwood 1177 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:11,800 Springs Colorado 1178 00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,710 which is about maybe 40 miles from my 1179 00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,000 Aspen and there are all kinds of haunted 1180 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:21,520 stories a little ghost I guess there was 1181 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:24,970 a maybe someone had committed a suicide 1182 00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:28,330 there you know a hundred years ago or so 1183 00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:31,960 and they actually the guests are welcome 1184 00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:33,820 to congregate in the lobby at midnight 1185 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:37,840 to go on a little ghost tour so you 1186 00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,610 never you never know when you're going 1187 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:41,920 to run into it's funny you know when I 1188 00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:45,310 was growing up a ghost had such a I was 1189 00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:48,280 gonna say negative connotation not just 1190 00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:53,230 in the sense that of being something you 1191 00:59:01,770 --> 00:58:58,450 know oh particularly a ghoulish or 1192 00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,780 whatever but they were often associated 1193 00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:03,280 well if you were going to believe in 1194 00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:05,980 ghosts at all the thinking of the day I 1195 00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:09,520 guess maybe because my dad was a Baptist 1196 00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,430 was that it had to be you know of a from 1197 00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:16,960 hell I mean it was something that the 1198 00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:21,460 devil was responsible for now you know 1199 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:23,260 in our own case and I think I told this 1200 00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:25,810 story I remember one time on 1201 00:59:31,620 --> 00:59:28,720 coast-to-coast and George Noory was kind 1202 00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:31,630 of a gas that I had the family had to 1203 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:33,310 experience and I guess I had never 1204 00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:36,090 mentioned it before that my am a 1205 00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:39,220 grandfather on my father's side of the 1206 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:42,360 family they came from a small town in 1207 00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,850 Kentucky Shelbyville which is the famous 1208 00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:48,400 course for Colonel Sanders that was 1209 00:59:57,540 --> 00:59:54,400 where he opened his first KFC and my 1210 01:00:01,950 --> 00:59:57,550 grandfather apparently had some sort of 1211 01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:01,960 experience where he had seen a headless 1212 01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:06,940 ghost Minh cavalry writer and back of 1213 01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:13,030 the and back of the barn one night and I 1214 01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,550 guess this was a we had figured 1215 01:00:21,980 --> 01:00:17,440 somebody had mentioned from the family 1216 01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:21,990 that it was the ghost of a Confederate 1217 01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:24,940 war a soldier who had lost I guess had 1218 01:00:31,290 --> 01:00:29,230 his head decapitated by cannon ball but 1219 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:31,300 he would never he would never talk about 1220 01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:33,250 the experience I think he mentioned it 1221 01:00:38,130 --> 01:00:36,340 to my dad once and and and said he never 1222 01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:38,140 wanted to speak about it and he never 1223 01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:40,680 did but I think it was because of his 1224 01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:43,480 connection to the to the church here 1225 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:47,280 more than than anything anything else 1226 01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:49,990 but you know if bread has there been a 1227 01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:53,320 preponderance of my cases where headless 1228 01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,620 horseman had been seen yes that's not 1229 01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:58,240 that you had mentioned this to me before 1230 01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:01,680 in fact I think I even used it in a book 1231 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:04,750 of your sighting 1232 01:01:13,790 --> 01:01:09,010 it's obviously oh excuse me in my 1233 01:01:17,610 --> 01:01:13,800 opinion it has to be symbolic oh and 1234 01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:17,620 you're seeing an entity you're seeing a 1235 01:01:23,970 --> 01:01:21,280 force but without a head what does that 1236 01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:23,980 tell you this doesn't have any direction 1237 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:29,020 this doesn't have any plan or really 1238 01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:32,410 purpose other than to alert you that 1239 01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:35,380 there is something beyond what you 1240 01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:37,740 experience in your everyday life and 1241 01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,180 that there's not you know that whether 1242 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:42,660 it's another dimension whether it's 1243 01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:45,970 entities from from another time and 1244 01:01:53,790 --> 01:01:49,270 space but contact has been made and 1245 01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:53,800 certainly you know your grandfather he 1246 01:02:00,200 --> 01:01:57,190 obviously told the family and you've 1247 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:00,210 been having sightings and you've had 1248 01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:03,010 mysterious experiences well you know my 1249 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:05,800 ever since you're a little boy well my 1250 01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:10,150 me mysterious experiences now seemed to 1251 01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:14,110 center dramatically on synchronicities 1252 01:02:20,090 --> 01:02:16,540 you know I just did this book about 1253 01:02:22,350 --> 01:02:20,100 philip k a dick 1254 01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:22,360 he believed that that we were actually 1255 01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,940 well you're in the book I mean what am I 1256 01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:26,700 did 1257 01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:29,790 about this but most people are surprised 1258 01:02:35,740 --> 01:02:33,270 actually to find out that he thought he 1259 01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:35,750 might have actually been a star child 1260 01:02:43,099 --> 01:02:39,390 mm-hmm which is why he wrote which is 1261 01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:43,109 why he began to write to me oh and how 1262 01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:50,420 did that how did that come about oh he 1263 01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:55,859 was going to the dentist and he had 1264 01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:58,470 received something that would ease the 1265 01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:01,520 pain whatever shot it may have been and 1266 01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:05,790 while he was in this altered state and 1267 01:03:15,370 --> 01:03:09,359 having his tooth worked on he saw a 1268 01:03:19,220 --> 01:03:15,380 picture of my book the divine fire and 1269 01:03:22,579 --> 01:03:19,230 then an entity a female into the 1270 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:22,589 fabulous book boy what is the best thank 1271 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:23,910 you 1272 01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:27,570 he saw then an entity which he 1273 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:34,500 associated with revelation and she said 1274 01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:37,170 you know you will find answers in this 1275 01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,940 book so as soon as he recovered from the 1276 01:03:46,099 --> 01:03:43,920 dentist he went to a bookstore and 1277 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:46,109 bought revelation the divine fire and 1278 01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,920 read it and then before he wrote to me 1279 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:51,839 he read the star people 1280 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:55,050 and then he wrote and said my name is 1281 01:04:00,559 --> 01:03:57,690 Philip dick you may not have heard of me 1282 01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:00,569 I'm I write science fiction stories well 1283 01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,390 of course I heard a Philip K and every 1284 01:04:10,579 --> 01:04:05,819 and everybody's heard of him now if 1285 01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:10,589 you're right right right right and as I 1286 01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:13,710 said we correspondent regularly over 1287 01:04:19,550 --> 01:04:16,680 over the phone and of course writing we 1288 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:19,560 didn't have the wonderful internet to go 1289 01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:22,530 back and forth at that time but sending 1290 01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:26,040 letters and telephone calls and he had 1291 01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:29,670 just seen the movie there's been remade 1292 01:04:34,990 --> 01:04:32,520 now a second time I don't know if he 1293 01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,000 would have approved of the remake or not 1294 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:37,980 and I never really heard 1295 01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:41,490 he said I'm going no this is this has 1296 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:44,480 happened to be so many times in my life 1297 01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:49,170 where someone writes to me and says I'm 1298 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:51,030 going to the studio I'm going to see a 1299 01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:54,570 rough cut and then I'll tell you about 1300 01:04:59,900 --> 01:04:57,150 it he says and I want to come over to 1301 01:05:01,579 --> 01:04:59,910 Phoenix where we were living then he 1302 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:01,589 says I want to come over to Phoenix and 1303 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:04,650 discuss it with you well he saw the 1304 01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,010 movie told me he had landed he's getting 1305 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:10,500 ready to pack up and come and then he 1306 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:16,650 passed away so this has happened with a 1307 01:05:26,359 --> 01:05:22,250 number of well leaders by a coincidence 1308 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:26,369 next week Tessa a dick will be a guest 1309 01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,450 on the and of course she's written 1310 01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:33,839 several books of her own and yes he's 1311 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:38,160 did the introduction to the mind control 1312 01:05:44,420 --> 01:05:40,170 matrix of Phillip cave I was pleased to 1313 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:44,430 see that well III think of all the books 1314 01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:48,089 that I've done in recent times of all 1315 01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:53,700 out of the 285 I I would believe that I 1316 01:05:59,240 --> 01:05:56,790 I would believe that that would be my my 1317 01:06:01,339 --> 01:05:59,250 best self study certainly it has to be 1318 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:01,349 one of the most thorough ones on 1319 01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:04,050 synchronicity I mean you know I I I'm 1320 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:05,720 bored by when people say oh 1321 01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,770 synchronicity yes I thought of so-and-so 1322 01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:09,599 and they called on the telephone the 1323 01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,339 next day I hadn't seen him in yeah right 1324 01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:14,160 so what is some guy and some guy on 1325 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:17,310 YouTube says oh synchronicity you know I 1326 01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:20,130 I had a I had a girlfriend and I hadn't 1327 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:22,710 seen her and then I ran into her in the 1328 01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,450 street and because I had been thinking 1329 01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:26,400 about it or something like that you were 1330 01:06:30,740 --> 01:06:27,720 never mind 1331 01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:30,750 but I mean or you wake up and you see 1332 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:33,000 four four four I don't even understand 1333 01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,510 the significance of that to be - really 1334 01:06:40,819 --> 01:06:38,760 - I mean I have weird things happened to 1335 01:06:43,309 --> 01:06:40,829 me like hey you know I meet with the 1336 01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:43,319 former librarian of the area for them in 1337 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:45,540 a research organization a group that's 1338 01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,690 been out of existence for what 25 years 1339 01:06:52,930 --> 01:06:50,720 later 1340 01:06:54,849 --> 01:06:52,940 then I Drive down to Sedona where nobody 1341 01:06:57,370 --> 01:06:54,859 even knows that I'm going and we come 1342 01:07:01,960 --> 01:06:57,380 out of the coffee shop and next to us is 1343 01:07:05,620 --> 01:07:01,970 part a an automobile with the license 1344 01:07:09,310 --> 01:07:05,630 plate a pro on it oh they knew you were 1345 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:09,320 coming nobody knew I was coming even if 1346 01:07:14,109 --> 01:07:11,450 they didn't know we were coming 1347 01:07:16,109 --> 01:07:14,119 what were we driving I don't even know 1348 01:07:18,310 --> 01:07:16,119 we were driving because it wasn't my 1349 01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,320 vehicle you know I mean he could have 1350 01:07:23,230 --> 01:07:21,200 been parked in the the back lot but they 1351 01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:23,240 were parked right next to us is the 1352 01:07:28,990 --> 01:07:26,750 inner space I mean that plate that place 1353 01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:29,000 is just darn right spooky down there in 1354 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,820 Sedona I mean we've had a couple of 1355 01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:34,160 things happen and it just don't sit 1356 01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:38,150 right well I've paid you tribute a 1357 01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:41,750 number of times because you have kept so 1358 01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:47,630 many volumes of historical and spiritual 1359 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:51,830 value you've kept them alive the present 1360 01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:54,530 generation wouldn't even have heard of 1361 01:08:01,180 --> 01:07:58,099 them without intimacy I'm still not sure 1362 01:08:04,329 --> 01:08:01,190 that they have well but you've got it 1363 01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:04,339 there now your your book with Phil okay 1364 01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:11,030 dick is certainly self revelatory if no 1365 01:08:17,380 --> 01:08:14,510 one had ever heard of you which I can't 1366 01:08:20,650 --> 01:08:17,390 imagine but let's say there is no 1367 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:20,660 there's a there is such a person he 1368 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:22,489 wouldn't have to know what you've done 1369 01:08:29,890 --> 01:08:26,210 and what you going to do but reading 1370 01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:29,900 that book is like an adventure I mean 1371 01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:31,910 that this at this point I would say 1372 01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,940 that's your masterpiece kid I I would 1373 01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:38,000 IIIi agree with you 100% 1374 01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,490 that's right Tim I totally agree you'll 1375 01:09:03,890 --> 01:08:59,460 be getting a nice raise 1376 01:09:13,129 --> 01:09:03,900 [Laughter] 1377 01:09:22,529 --> 01:09:15,719 how many books have you actually written 1378 01:09:25,769 --> 01:09:22,539 to you now you know I think you know not 1379 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:25,779 many people else know that I've ghosted 1380 01:09:32,099 --> 01:09:30,489 the number of books some firm once in a 1381 01:09:36,299 --> 01:09:32,109 while somebody will ask me about that 1382 01:09:39,180 --> 01:09:36,309 and you don't recognize I can't I am 1383 01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:39,190 under strict contract because many of 1384 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:44,049 them happen to be movie stars and the 1385 01:09:53,519 --> 01:09:49,170 contract I signed in one situation this 1386 01:09:59,609 --> 01:09:53,529 well-known actor had written a script 1387 01:10:01,529 --> 01:09:59,619 and he presented it and they said yeah 1388 01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:01,539 we really like this would make a movie 1389 01:10:06,209 --> 01:10:04,300 but you know the custom is now at least 1390 01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:06,219 at that time you know we only have a 1391 01:10:12,629 --> 01:10:09,070 movie like this come out we have a book 1392 01:10:15,509 --> 01:10:12,639 to go along with it and he says to him 1393 01:10:18,029 --> 01:10:15,519 do you have such a book and he says yeah 1394 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:18,039 I have such a book I hear they're 1395 01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,170 starting up there so I better not go far 1396 01:10:23,729 --> 01:10:21,760 I'll have to interrupt you here so we 1397 01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:23,739 can go to our break we'll be right back 1398 01:10:29,939 --> 01:10:27,369 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1399 01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:29,949 two of the most electrifying researchers 1400 01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:30,820 in the paranoid 1401 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:34,450 your hosts Timothy beckoning panting 1402 01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:50,600 boy 1403 01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:56,520 [Music] 1404 01:10:56,530 --> 01:11:00,440 [Applause] 1405 01:11:00,450 --> 01:11:47,860 [Music] 1406 01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:50,750 all right welcome back to exploring the 1407 01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:52,980 bizarre and Samantha what was the name 1408 01:12:02,200 --> 01:11:54,720 of that song that we just heard that was 1409 01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:10,220 are their album everything's on like 1410 01:12:15,930 --> 01:12:14,460 Spotify title iTunes Amazon did this for 1411 01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:15,940 you yeah 1412 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:19,760 [Laughter] 1413 01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:22,050 anyway what what what's your inspiration 1414 01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:25,710 for a song um I just depends that song 1415 01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:28,490 was written about an ex-boyfriend and 1416 01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,350 actually the originally the instrumental 1417 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:33,420 part of that I wrote different lyrics - 1418 01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:35,490 I wrote the instrumental probably in 1419 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:39,540 like 2010 2011 and it was some song 1420 01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:41,730 where I was actually like was like 1421 01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:43,260 watching Marie Antoinette or one of 1422 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:44,940 those things and it was like let them 1423 01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:47,370 eat cake was the original lyrics about 1424 01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,140 song were like let them eat cake she 1425 01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:52,080 said that mistake cost her head or 1426 01:12:57,650 --> 01:12:54,450 something but then when I was reading 1427 01:13:00,740 --> 01:12:57,660 demos to do for my violin played silent 1428 01:13:03,230 --> 01:13:00,750 ends all my rewrote the lyrics and wrote 1429 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:03,240 them about my ex-boyfriend being like 1430 01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:13,770 demonic and evil that's how that song 1431 01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:16,590 came to be and that song was produced by 1432 01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:19,140 hilly hill yzma who has produced like 1433 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,480 half the albums for the band him who 1434 01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:23,100 were really popular in like the goth 1435 01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:27,870 rock kind of metal genre so yeah I guess 1436 01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:29,400 that's not I mean like that the stuff on 1437 01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:31,560 violent elites violent ends actually has 1438 01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:34,020 probably as much of a goth or metal vibe 1439 01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:36,060 as I will ever do just because hilly 1440 01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:37,980 produced like five of the song so they 1441 01:13:42,650 --> 01:13:40,590 definitely have a hilly sound to them 1442 01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:42,660 whereas anything else I've done like 1443 01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:44,580 page six I did with Justin Salter and 1444 01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:46,440 that's mostly just like my complete vibe 1445 01:13:55,220 --> 01:13:50,820 of all rock or New Wave no how would you 1446 01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:55,230 say your influences have changed or have 1447 01:13:59,780 --> 01:13:57,570 they I mean have you gone off in a 1448 01:14:01,400 --> 01:13:59,790 different direction musically since when 1449 01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:01,410 you started your career 1450 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:04,830 um you know with my stuff I've always 1451 01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:06,690 preached at the same influences like I 1452 01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:08,790 like I've said like with the violet 1453 01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:10,140 violet enzyme it definitely had a 1454 01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,550 different vibe because I did it with 1455 01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:13,920 Haley and Haley is like known for like 1456 01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:18,060 this goth rock metal sound but like my 1457 01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:21,240 other stuff is very similar like I feel 1458 01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:23,310 like if you listen to page six and then 1459 01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:24,870 you listen to into the darkness because 1460 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,910 I did those just insulter those kind of 1461 01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:29,760 sound more like they go together than 1462 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:31,860 the stuff on violent alights violent and 1463 01:14:35,150 --> 01:14:33,450 so though people say that they hear 1464 01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:35,160 they're all rock influenced on violence 1465 01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:36,780 lights violent ends I personally don't 1466 01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:38,670 hear that I hear more like this goth 1467 01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:41,700 sound whereas page six it's more evident 1468 01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:44,940 like that I was inspired by alternative 1469 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:50,460 but I don't know well now when you say 1470 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:52,650 alternative that's kind of always 1471 01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,890 confused me as far as music goes how how 1472 01:15:01,790 --> 01:14:57,840 would you do I mean I know what heavy 1473 01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:01,800 metal is when I say I'll turn in Brock I 1474 01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:03,780 know that's like a broad spectrum I 1475 01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:05,160 guess when I think of like alternative 1476 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:07,430 rock I think of like Smashing Pumpkins 1477 01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:13,050 Jane's Addiction Pearl Jam Nirvana like 1478 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:15,900 well it's like Stone Temple Pilots Bush 1479 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:17,970 I just think it like the early 90s stuff 1480 01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:19,890 I guess a lot of that's also grunge but 1481 01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:23,430 I just think of like early 90s rock is 1482 01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:25,080 being like all rock I mean there's newer 1483 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:27,000 alternative rock like the Silversun 1484 01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:29,730 Pickups would be like current 1485 01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:32,910 alternative rock it's it's such a like 1486 01:15:36,980 --> 01:15:34,920 broad spectrum now like especially with 1487 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:36,990 the internet everything it's hard to 1488 01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:39,330 classify a lot of stuff like Lana Del 1489 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:41,640 Rey could kind of fall into like being a 1490 01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:43,170 rock and then she could be fall into 1491 01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:45,150 being pop it's kind of like hard to 1492 01:15:49,190 --> 01:15:46,380 really define things these days 1493 01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:49,200 yeah when when the bread and I would go 1494 01:15:57,230 --> 01:15:51,000 to see Buddy Rich we know who we were 1495 01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:57,240 going to see I in fact I remember bread 1496 01:16:05,210 --> 01:16:00,600 I was you know uh Buddy Rich was a 1497 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:05,220 famous drummer and he had a 1498 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:08,050 interest in UFOs in fact I guess it had 1499 01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:10,510 a couple of sightings out there in Las 1500 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:11,110 Vegas 1501 01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,930 and anybody on the west coast her 1502 01:16:17,970 --> 01:16:15,520 sightings though like when I lived in 1503 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:17,980 Phoenix I had sightings well yeah well 1504 01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:19,330 yeah well you know that people have had 1505 01:16:23,940 --> 01:16:21,550 I've had people tell me stories here and 1506 01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,950 we've had guests on the program where 1507 01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:25,840 these objects were there they lived on 1508 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:28,780 29th Street at 28th Street you know off 1509 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:31,330 a third Avenue and these things on July 1510 01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,810 4th will come down and press the gal 1511 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:36,880 almost down to the you know down to the 1512 01:16:42,930 --> 01:16:39,730 rooftop and then people would go up to 1513 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:42,940 Pine Bush which about an hour and a half 1514 01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:45,370 from here and have some all kinds of 1515 01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:49,270 pretty weird stories and abductions and 1516 01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:53,880 we had Bruce Cornett I remember Tim 1517 01:16:59,160 --> 01:16:57,520 six months ago maybe and yeah he told 1518 01:17:01,680 --> 01:16:59,170 about all these weird things that he and 1519 01:17:03,390 --> 01:17:01,690 Alan crystal had had seen up there and 1520 01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:03,400 they were taking they were taking video 1521 01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:06,280 tapes of these you know I'm just coming 1522 01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:10,110 down and the of course the town now Brad 1523 01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:14,470 celebrates UFO a day during the the 1524 01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:17,590 summer and has little UFO speeches 1525 01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:20,140 Travis Walton was there and Peter 1526 01:17:25,290 --> 01:17:23,080 Robbins of course he lives nearby and a 1527 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:25,300 Linda's Herman who's one of our favorite 1528 01:17:33,210 --> 01:17:28,450 guests she's the big authority on the 1529 01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:33,220 Hudson Valley boomerang that attracted 1530 01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:36,220 so much attention back in the oh I guess 1531 01:17:46,290 --> 01:17:44,320 early mid 1980s oh yeah all I know is I 1532 01:17:47,940 --> 01:17:46,300 feel like all the stuff in on the West 1533 01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:47,950 Kara so maybe not all of it but a lot of 1534 01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:51,430 it I feel like is military test craft 1535 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:53,230 because when I lived in Scottsdale 1536 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:54,970 Arizona which is a suburb of Phoenix I 1537 01:17:59,670 --> 01:17:57,610 would see stuff like almost once a year 1538 01:18:02,610 --> 01:17:59,680 I'd have a sighting of something but 1539 01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:02,620 with the exception of one case where I 1540 01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:05,230 was like out walking at like 3:00 in the 1541 01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:08,230 morning in 2005 and I saw this weird 1542 01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:10,510 like gasoline looking object in the sky 1543 01:18:15,570 --> 01:18:12,760 that like disintegrated everything else 1544 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:15,580 you know it I don't so much kind of like 1545 01:18:20,010 --> 01:18:18,370 steampunk no it was it's hard 1546 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:20,020 explain when I saw it was like this is 1547 01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:22,570 really large object up in the sky and 1548 01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,180 then it kind of like disappeared into 1549 01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:28,000 like a shimmery they like type of thing 1550 01:18:31,620 --> 01:18:29,950 that can only explain that it looked 1551 01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:31,630 like gasoline but let's put this way it 1552 01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,430 terrified me but I ran all the way home 1553 01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:34,960 and I thought it was either a UFO or 1554 01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:37,030 that a plane had exploded and it was and 1555 01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:39,670 no plane exploded but with the exception 1556 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:42,640 of that that was like October 2005 with 1557 01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,110 the exception of that everything else I 1558 01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:46,480 ever saw would like magically disappear 1559 01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:49,480 over Luke Air Force Base so hmm you're 1560 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:50,950 seeing you're seeing like these v-shaped 1561 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:53,290 crafts I'm like the lights blink out one 1562 01:18:57,630 --> 01:18:55,540 by one and then the final light blinks 1563 01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,640 out over Luke Air Force Base what am I 1564 01:19:01,020 --> 01:18:58,960 supposed to take from that are the 1565 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:01,030 aliens coming and like you know they're 1566 01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:02,890 intergalactically landing at Luke Air 1567 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:05,020 Force Base or is the US military testing 1568 01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:06,850 stuff out so that's kind of like my 1569 01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:09,400 thought on area 51 and white sands as 1570 01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:11,500 well is that these are military test 1571 01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:14,860 craft and not like intergalactic travel 1572 01:19:20,370 --> 01:19:16,540 though I will say the Phoenix lights 1573 01:19:21,870 --> 01:19:20,380 that one I'm baffled by I didn't see it 1574 01:19:23,220 --> 01:19:21,880 though because I was 7 years old when 1575 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:23,230 that happened and it was a school night 1576 01:19:37,980 --> 01:19:26,170 so I was in bed well they were looking 1577 01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:37,990 for you to come back til they find you I 1578 01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:40,300 can suspend up there beat there light 1579 01:19:48,510 --> 01:19:44,560 beam absolutely yes 1580 01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:48,520 so Brad how have your opinions changed 1581 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:53,260 you know we just reprinted the first UFO 1582 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:56,260 book that did I ever did with a little 1583 01:20:00,420 --> 01:19:57,970 help from Jerry Clark who typed the 1584 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:00,430 census in those days and Rick Hilbert 1585 01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:03,490 found Rick Hilbert found the copy in in 1586 01:20:13,230 --> 01:20:07,870 his files it was called inside the 1587 01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:13,240 saucers and I published it in 1964 and 1588 01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:17,440 and you humbly made it very nice comment 1589 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:20,580 about those of us who started out as 1590 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:26,410 teen ufologist and and of course some of 1591 01:20:30,919 --> 01:20:29,050 us a handful at least have have kept 1592 01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:30,929 with the 1593 01:20:39,739 --> 01:20:35,070 going back I don't want to toot my own 1594 01:20:43,149 --> 01:20:39,749 horn honk honk but III go back and I 1595 01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:43,159 read the that little booklet there and 1596 01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,679 you know it amazes me I mean some of the 1597 01:20:50,779 --> 01:20:48,719 theories maybe have changed but we 1598 01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:50,789 talked about Nazi UFOs and we talked 1599 01:20:58,219 --> 01:20:55,320 about hi UFOs that Cano submerge and 1600 01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:58,229 emerge from bodies of water there was a 1601 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,360 a great case in there I don't think 1602 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:02,400 anybody ever discusses or even knows 1603 01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,130 about we we know about the UFO case over 1604 01:21:09,529 --> 01:21:07,800 Waunakee you know New Jersey where 1605 01:21:11,959 --> 01:21:09,539 police officers saw this thing and it 1606 01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:11,969 shot down a beam with light and put some 1607 01:21:18,259 --> 01:21:14,159 holes in the ice and so forth but over 1608 01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:18,269 it or Oradell reservoir this object was 1609 01:21:24,859 --> 01:21:21,630 seen you know going into the water there 1610 01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:24,869 and well this would have been the 19 1611 01:21:34,969 --> 01:21:31,249 that would have been in 1960s yeah well 1612 01:21:37,699 --> 01:21:34,979 you know the only reference well 1613 01:21:40,339 --> 01:21:37,709 robbery Gribble who was then running the 1614 01:21:43,819 --> 01:21:40,349 national UFO Reporting Center he put out 1615 01:21:46,699 --> 01:21:43,829 a little newsletter in those days and he 1616 01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:46,709 had some details in it and that I see 1617 01:21:51,469 --> 01:21:48,150 there was one little drawing that 1618 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:51,479 somebody did that was a rather crude map 1619 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:55,130 which I might actually have drawn that's 1620 01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:58,800 on the I'm not much of an artist I can 1621 01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:02,159 create visuals but I can't draw a 1622 01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:09,420 stickman the only well this would have 1623 01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:11,340 been like well let's see they're going 1624 01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:14,070 back to the beginning of time now well 1625 01:22:24,379 --> 01:22:15,780 yeah this would've well let's see the 1626 01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:24,389 book was from 1964 that I did oh jeez 1627 01:22:30,649 --> 01:22:27,209 now you got me it seems to me it would 1628 01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:30,659 have been the the summertime but maybe 1629 01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:34,320 that's only because I was born in in in 1630 01:22:42,939 --> 01:22:39,719 July but you know I mean the the UFO 1631 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:42,949 activity is continued you know on I 1632 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:44,770 guess of course and 1633 01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:48,130 says everybody believed in the ETH the 1634 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:51,400 extra-terrestrial a couple of people 1635 01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:54,010 like a Jim Mosely were bamboozled into 1636 01:22:59,400 --> 01:22:56,860 thinking that the CIA were responsible 1637 01:23:01,260 --> 01:22:59,410 for UFOs I always meant you know I was 1638 01:23:03,210 --> 01:23:01,270 kind of getting laugh at that because 1639 01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:03,220 the older people were seeing the CIA 1640 01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,920 they you what was the you plane or 1641 01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:08,320 whatever was well that's not a thing 1642 01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:09,820 it's traveling up on the edge of the 1643 01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:10,510 atmosphere 1644 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:13,540 nobody can hardly see that mistake it is 1645 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:16,300 a UFO I mean we're talking about things 1646 01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:18,610 that you know were picked up on radar 1647 01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:22,060 and I chased pilots around the sky and 1648 01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:24,910 hovered over towns at noon and knocked 1649 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:28,240 out engines and automobile engines and 1650 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:36,250 and so forth marais a big eth man well 1651 01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:38,290 at the beginning America's 11 years old 1652 01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:42,460 and no as soon as I was reading the 1653 01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:44,680 newspapers and my reaction was there 1654 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:47,920 they're here they're here and I think we 1655 01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:50,290 retained that kind of atmosphere and 1656 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:53,230 that kind of belief certainly when we 1657 01:24:01,760 --> 01:23:56,410 met we were pretty much what the EGS at 1658 01:24:08,730 --> 01:24:01,770 that point but the more I well when I 1659 01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:08,740 came to New York and to finish the book 1660 01:24:14,420 --> 01:24:11,860 on Rudolph Valentino they had they come 1661 01:24:19,770 --> 01:24:14,430 out they put me up in a hotel and I and 1662 01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:19,780 I met then while I was there as there a 1663 01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,270 couple weeks finishing the book and I 1664 01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:24,880 met a number of editors from different 1665 01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:28,210 houses well the editor de Ward books and 1666 01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:30,550 I read he hit it off and he said have 1667 01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:35,800 you ever done a book on UFOs and I said 1668 01:24:42,570 --> 01:24:38,560 no no but I have a really extensive file 1669 01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:42,580 about UFOs and then he said well would 1670 01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:45,160 you would you like to do a book well I 1671 01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:48,640 had committed to Ivan T Sanderson whom 1672 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:51,730 you remember the Great Rivers as I'm 1673 01:24:59,100 --> 01:24:56,770 sure and I do and he had been after me 1674 01:25:02,160 --> 01:24:59,110 for a year to do a book on poltergeist 1675 01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:02,170 so that was sold and Ivan had agreed to 1676 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:03,910 write the introduction and so forth but 1677 01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:07,090 I said yeah I'll do and I became 1678 01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:11,470 strangest on the skies it came out just 1679 01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:14,680 when dr. Hynek said you know it's swamp 1680 01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:17,680 gas which he never said and embarrassed 1681 01:25:22,710 --> 01:25:19,960 him all the rest of his life but in any 1682 01:25:25,230 --> 01:25:22,720 way UFOs were in the paper and they're 1683 01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:25,240 everywhere just when I book came out and 1684 01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:28,060 I got on the paperback bestseller in two 1685 01:25:34,050 --> 01:25:28,480 weeks 1686 01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:34,060 you know big deal 25 cents a book that's 1687 01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:36,550 what launched me and I've never 1688 01:25:41,250 --> 01:25:39,000 considered myself a ufologist but a 1689 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:41,260 phenomenologist or a psychic or 1690 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:43,810 researcher but as I traveled around the 1691 01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:46,330 country then because suddenly I was an 1692 01:25:50,910 --> 01:25:49,390 expert you know I had this book so I was 1693 01:25:53,370 --> 01:25:50,920 asked to this conference in that 1694 01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,380 conference and everyone had a story and 1695 01:25:59,130 --> 01:25:55,120 I talked through the contact heat and 1696 01:26:01,710 --> 01:25:59,140 the more I talked to them I said to 1697 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:01,720 myself you know this is just like going 1698 01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:04,210 through a spiritualist camp which I had 1699 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:08,230 gone to zero on my research the entities 1700 01:26:13,410 --> 01:26:10,450 gives the same bromides 1701 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:13,420 gives the same advice gives the same 1702 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,370 warnings and I remember talking to John 1703 01:26:24,230 --> 01:26:20,560 keel about this and I said you know and 1704 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:24,240 he at that time you know he was I think 1705 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:27,010 though he of course changed his mind 1706 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:29,290 from time to time but but that's when he 1707 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:33,250 wrote his book saying that is it's the 1708 01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:35,650 same old story and that's you know the 1709 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:38,110 same entity the same whomever they are 1710 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:42,370 and that's kind of where I've I could 1711 01:26:48,690 --> 01:26:45,730 not do that at that time because I 1712 01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:48,700 thought there is no Dogma in this 1713 01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:51,760 research none of us know the final 1714 01:26:57,570 --> 01:26:54,940 answer or even a very impressive answer 1715 01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:57,580 because we keep changing our minds as we 1716 01:27:03,810 --> 01:27:01,060 keep growing but I felt then that I 1717 01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:03,820 couldn't go all the way in my books I 1718 01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:06,580 had to still entertain the 1719 01:27:13,740 --> 01:27:10,060 that they could be from other worlds 1720 01:27:16,979 --> 01:27:13,750 they could be from other now to me as 1721 01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:16,989 you know in my recent books I've sherry 1722 01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:20,350 and I have emphasized the other the 1723 01:27:28,979 --> 01:27:25,330 other that may present itself in a way 1724 01:27:32,490 --> 01:27:28,989 that we can the individual percipient 1725 01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:32,500 can best understand so I started using 1726 01:27:39,419 --> 01:27:35,860 the theme back then what you are is what 1727 01:27:42,180 --> 01:27:39,429 you get what you believe is what you 1728 01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:42,190 perceive and that's pretty much what I'm 1729 01:27:48,959 --> 01:27:45,239 holding now plus an enormous number of 1730 01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:48,969 personal experiences in encounters if 1731 01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:52,420 you will with nothing that look like 1732 01:28:03,330 --> 01:27:56,230 beings from outer space but things that 1733 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:03,340 look like intelligence something and you 1734 01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:06,370 know that this has seemed to go back all 1735 01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:09,790 the way to my childhood now having the 1736 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:13,409 guide or having someone look over us and 1737 01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,230 this doesn't fit in any religious form 1738 01:28:25,860 --> 01:28:20,320 or any religious doctrine but in a sense 1739 01:28:28,649 --> 01:28:25,870 that fits and all of them and of course 1740 01:28:30,540 --> 01:28:28,659 now researchers some of them at least 1741 01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:30,550 are still a few old-timers like a 1742 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:34,630 Stanton Friedman who hold true to the to 1743 01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:38,770 the faith and perhaps a Kevin Randle and 1744 01:28:46,919 --> 01:28:42,280 I'm sure does although he would find 1745 01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:46,929 fault with never but you know and now 1746 01:28:51,899 --> 01:28:48,520 researchers are even beginning to 1747 01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:51,909 realize that there is a interconnection 1748 01:28:59,340 --> 01:28:56,560 between the various anomalies that the 1749 01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:59,350 UFOs and Bigfoot could be connected and 1750 01:29:03,450 --> 01:29:00,400 mm-hmm 1751 01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:03,460 that ghosts in here that's a pounding in 1752 01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:06,159 your basement might have landed in a 1753 01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:09,940 spaceship across the street and I guess 1754 01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:12,150 I started to realize that when as 1755 01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:14,860 someone in my family it had an 1756 01:29:18,819 --> 01:29:17,620 experience that started out with a UFO 1757 01:29:22,299 --> 01:29:18,829 you 1758 01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:22,309 citing and all of a sudden there were it 1759 01:29:26,589 --> 01:29:24,170 was weird phenomena taking place in the 1760 01:29:30,189 --> 01:29:26,599 house and in things disappearing and 1761 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:30,199 teleporting and reappearing days later 1762 01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:32,570 after they were thought to have been 1763 01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:36,530 lost for all time we began to realize 1764 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:39,230 that there's something more going on 1765 01:29:46,839 --> 01:29:42,530 here than just little little little men 1766 01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:46,849 from from Mars although I do say that 1767 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:48,710 every once in a while perhaps a true 1768 01:29:56,770 --> 01:29:52,010 little Kelly a humanoid might to slip 1769 01:29:59,709 --> 01:29:56,780 through the the veil and mock us from a 1770 01:30:04,540 --> 01:29:59,719 short distance as they they play on our 1771 01:30:07,359 --> 01:30:04,550 roof and land in our feet in fact good a 1772 01:30:09,129 --> 01:30:07,369 good old Kelly there Brad if it wasn't 1773 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:09,139 for the Eclipse it would be loss of 1774 01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:13,730 obscurity again for another another 50 1775 01:30:21,339 --> 01:30:16,190 years I think wasn't right the 1776 01:30:23,770 --> 01:30:21,349 anniversary the actual is yeah yeah and 1777 01:30:25,540 --> 01:30:23,780 they expect it to make what a hundred 1778 01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:25,550 million dollars or something on the 1779 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:26,630 eclipse I don't know if they ever 1780 01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:30,770 reached that not because the Eclipse is 1781 01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:33,590 kind of a fleeting thing it's there one 1782 01:30:40,569 --> 01:30:36,050 minute and it's gone pretty much by time 1783 01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:40,579 you sneeze and turn around right yeah 1784 01:30:45,250 --> 01:30:43,250 no and a very little of Eclipse that was 1785 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:45,260 seen there here and I don't think most 1786 01:30:50,049 --> 01:30:48,530 people in New York really care I care 1787 01:30:53,049 --> 01:30:50,059 too much they were more worried about 1788 01:30:56,020 --> 01:30:53,059 what Donald Trump was doing in right and 1789 01:30:58,419 --> 01:30:56,030 and how there we were completely clouded 1790 01:31:01,120 --> 01:30:58,429 over so we didn't say anything here but 1791 01:31:04,359 --> 01:31:01,130 for the previous one of course area and 1792 01:31:06,549 --> 01:31:04,369 I went to Hawaii not just to see that 1793 01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:06,559 but because we were lecturing there of 1794 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:11,510 course that's the same time well I was 1795 01:31:16,810 --> 01:31:13,010 hoping something might happen because 1796 01:31:20,250 --> 01:31:16,820 remember they're down in Mexico City at 1797 01:31:22,299 --> 01:31:20,260 doing a previous Eclipse there had been 1798 01:31:27,220 --> 01:31:22,309 hundreds of people out in the street 1799 01:31:29,410 --> 01:31:27,230 pointing at either the UFO or the planet 1800 01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,420 Venus we're not can't say for sure 1801 01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:31,120 because we serve 1802 01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:34,830 there did you have an eye for the 1803 01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:39,040 Eclipse there Tim in Indiana oh yes yeah 1804 01:31:47,070 --> 01:31:43,510 we we had about a 98% coverage of the 1805 01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:47,080 Sun where we were but no but no you had 1806 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:49,900 no UFO sighting no nothing like that I 1807 01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:52,810 was like you I was looking but you know 1808 01:32:00,540 --> 01:31:54,550 nothing ever nothing fun ever happens 1809 01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,550 free like took oh I had like all my 1810 01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:02,080 curtains closed I couldn't be bothered 1811 01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:06,850 by the Eclipse glasses speaking it's a 1812 01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:09,190 good segue here speaking of closing the 1813 01:32:15,420 --> 01:32:13,330 curtains we're just about up to that the 1814 01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:15,430 midnight hour and we'll have to say 1815 01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:17,680 goodbye but let's go quickly around the 1816 01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:20,020 table brother Brad what should people 1817 01:32:27,780 --> 01:32:25,090 look for well I have these four books 1818 01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:27,790 that have just come out in Kindle part 1819 01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:31,840 of the real nightmare series and they 1820 01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:33,580 are available on Kindle 1821 01:32:41,940 --> 01:32:38,230 they cover UFOs they cover ghastly 1822 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:41,950 grisly spooks and secret schemes and 1823 01:32:49,140 --> 01:32:45,570 cabal's freaks fiends and evil spirits 1824 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:49,150 surely bound to make your Halloween just 1825 01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:51,610 vibrate at a reasonable price 1826 01:32:59,730 --> 01:32:57,280 at a reasonable price to 22:29 apiece I 1827 01:33:06,630 --> 01:32:59,740 think we're giving them away these days 1828 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:06,640 I swear yeah how about you where well go 1829 01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:08,530 to youtube right and type in your name 1830 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:11,650 go to thank YouTube Google Twitter 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